1 hour ago, rpfc said:

When Lever said - 'I will go into the draft' - we gained leverage. When we found out about how the Crows acted when meeting with Mahoney and Viney we gained leverage, with him being disinvited from the B+F we gained leverage (perception in press only - makes it harder for them to stonewall), and when he polled outside the top 10 we gained leverage.

ND10 and ND45 or a pick swap in the second round. 

We acted in good faith with offering a fair trade and their petulance should not be rewarded.

 

We've already put picks 10 and 27 on the table.  There's zero possibility we'll recant.

I rather see him go into the PSD and head somewhere else if they dont accept 10 and 27.

Hes a good player but hes not worth two 1st's, even Dangerfield was not traded for two 1st.

 

 

You do deals in good faith. Never want to screw another party because you never know when it might bite you on the ass.

Adelaide are so pist off because they know how good he's going to be. 

He plays the modern zoning game to perfection.  He reads the play better than anyone else, he knows exactly the right time to leave his own man, and he either takes a brilliant intercept mark, or kills the contest with his fist of fury.  He's not fast, but he is agile, he usually hits his targets by foot, and he's renowned in Adelaide for his sidestep.  He also has courage.

We're talking about a guy who is 13 days older than Oscar McDonald.  How much improvement has Oscar still got ?  Lever's the same, only far more talented.  Oscar can play with Lever for the next 8 years and he'll learn from him.  Lever spent 3 years with Talia, which will only help.

And let's not forget that Lever was made captain of Vic Metro as a bottom age player, i.e. too young to be drafted that year.  Let that sink in.  How many bottom age players are chosen to captain their state ?  He captained Petracca and would also know Brayshaw well.

This is a terrific coup for the MFC.

How come Lever was told to stay away from the b&f but Charlie Cameron was allowed to go even though he said he wants a trade back home? 

14 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

How come Lever was told to stay away from the b&f but Charlie Cameron was allowed to go even though he said he wants a trade back home? 

Maybe because Charlie is still contracted and they will make him stay? Also, he's indigenous and didn't want to disrespect him? I don't know, just adding some potential reasons.

Edited October 7, 20178 yr by SFebey

54 minutes ago, ProDee said:

We've already put picks 10 and 27 on the table.  There's zero possibility we'll recant.

When bargaining and your offer is rejected that doesn't then set the bar at the minimum offered, it was rejected.  Start again, and whatever new comes to light (e.g not top 10 in the BF) take into account. I don't think we'll recant, doesnt mean we can't or shouldn't.

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

I think you're making it basic mate.

We're getting fugged about by the Crows and the player who wants to come to our club is being treated like he was some type of cancer.

They're changing the goal posts so we should too.

They have changed anything. They didn't want him to go, they know he will now and they are cracking the sads. We should have waited until later to make such a offer

I hear young Jake attended a boxing session with Jack Viney at Richmond Boxing this morning. Adelaide who????

10 minutes ago, Travis16 said:

When bargaining and your offer is rejected that doesn't then set the bar at the minimum offered, it was rejected.  Start again, and whatever new comes to light (e.g not top 10 in the BF) take into account. I don't think we'll recant, doesnt mean we can't or shouldn't.

That's great, mate, but imo there's not a hope in hell they'll do that.

They also want to do the right thing by Lever, who's shown good faith in selecting the MFC as his club of choice.  The club won't want Lever, or his manager thinking we're playing funny buggers.  This is why we made a good offer to start with.

You're welcome to a different view.

2 minutes ago, Tough Kent said:

I hear young Jake attended a boxing session with Jack Viney at Richmond Boxing this morning. Adelaide who????

Where did you hear this and is it true? I'd love to have watched it! Belting the crap out of each other.

2 minutes ago, DubDee said:

They have changed anything. They didn't want him to go, they know he will now and they are cracking the sads. We should have waited until later to make such a offer

Not at the risk of another club getting in first. We've been working on this for the last couple of years. The $'s were strong to ward off the sniffers (Colliwobbles et al). We taken a strong stance and everyone knows we're now a destination club!

1 minute ago, SFebey said:

Where did you hear this and is it true? I'd love to have watched it! Belting the crap out of each other.

A few of the lads from the local footy club are regulars at the gym. They saw our two boys there.

Just now, Tough Kent said:

A few of the lads from the local footy club are regulars at the gym. They saw our two boys there.

Great stuff, thanks mate.

Adelaide seem to forget they got picks 9, 28 and Dean Gore in return for Patrick Dangerfield and pick 50.

Lever for 10 and 27 seems about the same mark ( and Danger was and is probably a better player)

The Cows will probably need the AFL to explain this to them in the simplest possible terms during the next 10 days.

Beyond Jakes role, is another train of thought that he frees up Hunt to ‘break lines’ and hit targets further up the ground on a wing? Is that too simplistic?

I'm just loving the fact that every second post is referring to the Crows as the 'Cows'.  It's fitting.

12 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Adelaide seem to forget they got picks 9, 28 and Dean Gore in return for Patrick Dangerfield and pick 50.

Lever for 10 and 27 seems about the same mark ( and Danger was and is probably a better player)

The Cows will probably need the AFL to explain this to them in the simplest possible terms during the next 10 days.

And Deano was just delisted

The club can now argue that he didn't even poll in Adelaide's B&F top 10, so why would they offer more?

Obviously, a few of his votes were taken out. What a poor and unprofessional way to handle his departure.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/jake-lever-told-not-to-attend-adelaides-bestandfairest-after-trade-request/news-story/b5a13c82a91449ab806c3017a431ed34

26 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Adelaide seem to forget they got picks 9, 28 and Dean Gore in return for Patrick Dangerfield and pick 50.

Lever for 10 and 27 seems about the same mark ( and Danger was and is probably a better player)

The Cows will probably need the AFL to explain this to them in the simplest possible terms during the next 10 days.

Adelaide fans retort to that is that Dangermouse was a free agent the following year so they didn’t have leverage to demand more. 

The crows have proven themselves to be the most petulant, unprofessional club with dealing with this issue. I have a bad feeling this will drag for almost the entire trade week. I really do think our offer of picks 10 + 27 is fair however if we are able to trade to a lower second round pick I’d be happy to give that instead of 27. 

This is a guy that they lowballed from that start and then didn’t even poll in their top ten B&F. How they can claim two first rounders is mind boggling. 

3 minutes ago, ignition. said:

The club can now argue that he didn't even poll in Adelaide's B&F top 10, so why would they offer more?

Obviously, a few of his votes were taken out. What a poor and unprofessional way to handle his departure.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/jake-lever-told-not-to-attend-adelaides-bestandfairest-after-trade-request/news-story/b5a13c82a91449ab806c3017a431ed34

He did miss 5 games, doesn't look too unusual really. 

53 minutes ago, ProDee said:

That's great, mate, but imo there's not a hope in hell they'll do that.

They also want to do the right thing by Lever, who's shown good faith in selecting the MFC as his club of choice.  The club won't want Lever, or his manager thinking we're playing funny buggers.  This is why we made a good offer to start with.

You're welcome to a different view.

Lever has already publicly said he is willing to 'go into the draft' if the Crows stonewall. I have never heard a player be so frank about going into the draft - so he is obviously aware that the Cows are the ones playing funny buggers.

5 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Lever has already publicly said he is willing to 'go into the draft' if the Crows stonewall. I have never heard a player be so frank about going into the draft - so he is obviously aware that the Cows are the ones playing funny buggers.

There's no way they'll make their offer worse.

It's fanciful to think so.

24 minutes ago, ignition. said:

The club can now argue that he didn't even poll in Adelaide's B&F top 10, so why would they offer more?

Obviously, a few of his votes were taken out. What a poor and unprofessional way to handle his departure.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/jake-lever-told-not-to-attend-adelaides-bestandfairest-after-trade-request/news-story/b5a13c82a91449ab806c3017a431ed34

Please explain...

2 hours ago, ProDee said:

We've already put picks 10 and 27 on the table.  There's zero possibility we'll recant.

the table hasnt been set. Adelaide cant even be bothered sitting at it. You might rethink a tad.

Its more than likely 10 and 27 WILL be spent.  But until they are you cant KNOW they will.

There's nothing binding about 'talk"  that's just Life "101"

The Croweaters are beligerent.. The scene has already been discussed no end I imagine.  The 'out' is the  draft. Adelaide should be in no ignorance of this by now.  Yes it's an ambit play but one we could enact..and win. We don't want to be seen as ungamely so offer effectively "overs'

The art of the deal...is to always be prepared to walk away...next best thing...upset the table.

Do you deal in a world where things are hard set..or fluid ProDee. I wonder.

This has been going on for months. Time to end game it