Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[McQueen 17,864]

32 minutes ago, juzzk1d said:

OUT: 1st round pick, Tyson
IN: Lever, 2nd round.

Something around that ball park should satisfy Adelaide. 

That's quite frankly ridiculous.

[Ted Lasso 18,924]

49 minutes ago, juzzk1d said:

OUT: 1st round pick, Tyson
IN: Lever, 2nd round.

Something around that ball park should satisfy Adelaide. 

Tyson won't leave melbourne, we won't trade him. 

Even if they offered a straight swap

[jackaub 1,402]

13 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Pick 12 which we gave to Geelong for Beamer

Who did Geelong get for our pick 12?

[Jibroni 4,949]

4 minutes ago, jackaub said:

Who did Geelong get for our pick 12?

From memory Geelong used that pick to get Brad Ottens from Richmond

[whatwhat say what 22,352]

from a crows' supporting mate who is increasingly concerned they're losing lever, mcgovern and cameron at the end of the year:
 

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Conspiracy Theory - Lever gone to Pies. Some one commented this morning on a non-related photo of his dad's "yay black & white" to which his dad liked

 

[Demon_JB 1,364]

41 minutes ago, McQueen said:

That's quite frankly ridiculous.

Why?

Everyone is suggesting we trade 1st rounder + ANB for Lever. If the roles were reversed, and the Crows were offering a 1st rounder + a player of ANB's caliber for Oliver would we take it?

Of course not. People need to take off their rose coloured glasses and start coming up with realistic trade options. Lever is a future captain, AA defender. Someone like Tyson is an accumulator with hardly any damaging disposals. It's a matter of need over want. 

[Engorged Onion 10,190]

15 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

From memory Geelong used that pick to get Brad Ottens from Richmond

and we got the average brother yet again...

[binman 42,169]

For the first time in a very long time i have complete faith in the judgement of the football department when it comes to recruitment and trades.

Whilst there a many factors at play (eg pay scales, contract status of list, culture, perceived risk of lever continuing to suffer hammy injuries, refusal to pay overs etc) their offer to lever will give us an indication of a couple of things (assuming of course we get wind of the ball park figure and length of contract).

It will give some objective measure of how highly they rate lever and also of where they see their most need. On the second point it will be interesting to see who they target if they dont land lever.

If collingwood get him they will be paying overs, as they did with mayne. Happy for the dees to nor get in a bidding war with the pies

[McQueen 17,864]

34 minutes ago, juzzk1d said:

Why?

Everyone is suggesting we trade 1st rounder + ANB for Lever. If the roles were reversed, and the Crows were offering a 1st rounder + a player of ANB's caliber for Oliver would we take it?

Of course not. People need to take off their rose coloured glasses and start coming up with realistic trade options. Lever is a future captain, AA defender. Someone like Tyson is an accumulator with hardly any damaging disposals. It's a matter of need over want. 

Let's just deal with facts for now rather than individual Utopian views. 

So let's say it'll be pick 10 and Tyson for Lever and pick 36.

Tyson has his knockers about butchering the pill a bit but there's no doubt he's one of our best ball winners in the team. I think Dom has got immense improvement left in him and is a key player type to execute our game plan.

Lever looks great and probably deserves our first rounder but not one of our top line mids as well - I wouldn't even give ANB as part of the deal.

For all of the posters gushing over Lever there's a few that also recognise he plays in a defence that has an AA defender in Talia and another big bloke in Hartigan and a jet in Laird.

I just think you're proposal is way overs mate.

[Garbo 1,504]

1 hour ago, juzzk1d said:

Why?

Everyone is suggesting we trade 1st rounder + ANB for Lever. If the roles were reversed, and the Crows were offering a 1st rounder + a player of ANB's caliber for Oliver would we take it?

Of course not. People need to take off their rose coloured glasses and start coming up with realistic trade options. Lever is a future captain, AA defender. Someone like Tyson is an accumulator with hardly any damaging disposals. It's a matter of need over want. 

The difference is Lever wants out and is out of contract, if he nominates dees the crows either take what we offer or they get nothing. Its a balancing act as you want to keep a good relationship with other team in case the shoe is ever on the other foot and if he nominated for the draft we would need to use a first round pick anyway, so that becomes the starting point.  Ideally you find a player on our list who is looking for more opportunity and we can afford to lose, a number of our inside mids fill this criteria (ANB the obvious choice, Tyson doesn't as clearly unless you think he is on the way out.) Then add a pick on top and deal done, depending on the quality of the player going with it this would vary but any best 22 player shouldn't need to be paired with a with a round 1

Edited August 3, 2017 by Garbo

[Demon_JB 1,364]

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

Let's just deal with facts for now rather than individual Utopian views. 

So let's say it'll be pick 10 and Tyson for Lever and pick 36.

Tyson has his knockers about butchering the pill a bit but there's no doubt he's one of our best ball winners in the team. I think Dom has got immense improvement left in him and is a key player type to execute our game plan.

Lever looks great and probably deserves our first rounder but not one of our top line mids as well - I wouldn't even give ANB as part of the deal.

For all of the posters gushing over Lever there's a few that also recognise he plays in a defence that has an AA defender in Talia and another big bloke in Hartigan and a jet in Laird.

I just think you're proposal is way overs mate.

I even think its overs. I completely agree. What annoys me is that posters are touting lever as the 'best key defender of all time, a future captain; when he will be in his prime, then going on to just be happy giving Adelaide a 1st round player and steak knives.

[McQueen 17,864]

2 minutes ago, juzzk1d said:

I even think its overs. I completely agree. What annoys me is that posters are touting lever as the 'best key defender of all time, a future captain; when he will be in his prime, then going on to just be happy giving Adelaide a 1st round player and steak knives.

Sorry mate, I didn't pick up the sarcasm.

[Redleg 40,453]

3 hours ago, Abe said:

Tyson won't leave melbourne, we won't trade him. 

Even if they offered a straight swap

I would, but agree it won't happen.

[PartyBoy 173]

Reminds me of 2004 when Scott Thompson requested a trade to SA.

Reluctantly we accepted pick 12 from the Crows and he went on to be an All Australian and play 300+ games.

There's the precedent. 

 

 

[Adam The God 29,690]

17 hours ago, In Gawn we Trust said:

Sorry, visiting the city. Kew more specifically, is what I was told. But again, just a rumour

Kew? Sounds like he's on his way to the MFC then! 

[daisycutter 29,482]

1 minute ago, A F said:

Kew? Sounds like he's on his way to the MFC then! 

probably just means it's close to his girlfriend's family

[deebug 1,754]

29 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

probably just means it's close to his girlfriend's family

I thought his girlfriend is from SA and he is a Melbourne boy? 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

6 minutes ago, deebug said:

I thought his girlfriend is from SA and he is a Melbourne boy? 

 

No, she's also from Melbourne and is part of the reason he is weighing up a move back south.

 

 

[—coach— 3,496]

40 minutes ago, A F said:

Kew? Sounds like he's on his way to the MFC then! 

Kew is right near Hawthorn! Damn Hawks have their nose in every bloody trough! ????

[deebug 1,754]

Just now, stevethemanjordan said:

 

No, she's also from Melbourne and is part of the reason he is weighing up a move back south.

 

 

Ok, thanks must have heard wrong.

[daisycutter 29,482]

42 minutes ago, deebug said:

I thought his girlfriend is from SA and he is a Melbourne boy? 

melbourne girl ,  romsey boy  (but we won't hold that against him)

[Webber 10,442]

57 minutes ago, --coach-- said:

Kew is right near Hawthorn! Damn Hawks have their nose in every bloody trough! ????

It's also where the Vineys live.

[old55 23,106]

15 minutes ago, Webber said:

It's also where the Vineys live.

Near Kew or far Kew?

[Redleg 40,453]

2 hours ago, PartyBoy said:

Reminds me of 2004 when Scott Thompson requested a trade to SA.

Reluctantly we accepted pick 12 from the Crows and he went on to be an All Australian and play 300+ games.

There's the precedent. 

 

 

There is no precedent at the MRP, or when the shoe is on the other foot.

Also at the time Scott left, he was seeking a compassionate release for a family issue.

Not sure we ever found out what that issue was, or if there even was one.

However, if indeed there was an issue, we did the right thing.

[Redleg 40,453]

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 

No, she's also from Melbourne and is part of the reason he is weighing up a move back south.

 

 

The reverse of the Gibbs situation. That could help. Goose/gander.