On 30/03/2017 at 0:11 AM, A F said:

Surely this thread should be called Clearance Oliver?

That's how I first misread the title of this thread. Granted it might have been late and a few single malt whisky' might have enhanced my vision. But, I stand true in my belief of this mis-Prophecy. The thread should be renamed. 

How he is not in the Demonland banner I do not know. Better than anyone up there, including Daisy.

Has got to the stage where I just watch him, knowing that the rest of the game will take care of itself.

It''s strange, I wouldn't have his number on my back, but I think he will be one of the greats of the MFC. Perhaps I should put his number on my back?

7 minutes ago, Demi Dee said:

That's how I first misread the title of this thread. Granted it might have been late and a few single malt whisky' might have enhanced my vision. But, I stand true in my belief of this mis-Prophecy. The thread should be renamed. 

Hats off to Uncle Fester for his early call.  

He needs to kick more often.  His refusal to kick cost us repeatedly today.  That little farce with Hogan where they just handballed to each other until they got caught was idiotic, as was his handball receive and run down the boundary ending in being tackled out of bounds for a HTB against.  I don't know why he won't kick, because he's actually quite good at it.  Whatever the reason, they need to get it sorted. 

19 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

He needs to kick more often.  His refusal to kick cost us repeatedly today.  That little farce with Hogan where they just handballed to each other until they got caught was idiotic, as was his handball receive and run down the boundary ending in being tackled out of bounds for a HTB against.  I don't know why he won't kick, because he's actually quite good at it.  Whatever the reason, they need to get it sorted. 

There was nothing down the line. 

1 hour ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

He needs to kick more often.  His refusal to kick cost us repeatedly today.  That little farce with Hogan where they just handballed to each other until they got caught was idiotic, as was his handball receive and run down the boundary ending in being tackled out of bounds for a HTB against.  I don't know why he won't kick, because he's actually quite good at it.  Whatever the reason, they need to get it sorted. 

Both times there was absolutely nobody to kick to, with no-one offering an option. It was a very common theme today. When players did offer an option, they were well covered by Blues flood defence. 

If Clarry gets an option he will usually take it first time. 

2 hours ago, Deestroy All said:

There was nothing down the line. 

Bingo.

3 hours ago, Deestroy All said:

There was nothing down the line. 

And so clever Clarry ran boundary-line to take the tackle. Shouldn't have been holding the ball.

What %age of game time was a Clarry on the ground for yesterday?

53 minutes ago, Elwood 3184 said:

What %age of game time was a Clarry on the ground for yesterday?

83%, the most of any midfielder surprisingly enough.  

So now that he's mastered disposals and built a tank, let's start asking when he'll add goals to his game. Should have 20 by  round 7...

6 hours ago, Seraph said:

Both times there was absolutely nobody to kick to, with no-one offering an option. It was a very common theme today. When players did offer an option, they were well covered by Blues flood defence. 

Right in my wheelhouse.

6 hours ago, Seraph said:

Both times there was absolutely nobody to kick to, with no-one offering an option. It was a very common theme today. When players did offer an option, they were well covered by Blues flood defence. 

If Clarry gets an option he will usually take it first time. 

Disagree. He set Hogan up for a crunching tackle by refusing to kick in that situation. It was a hospital handpass without the elevation.

We were pressing hard and he had to kick looking for a contest in that situation. The classic opportunistic goal was Weideman off a marking contest in the goal square a few minutes later, and before you say yes but that was a Hogan contest, we did have players inside 50 who could have created a contest if Clarry had gone the boot.

What would you rather have: a contest inside attacking 50 or the rebound goal that resulted directly from that round-robin episode with Hogan and Oliver?

That Hogan-crunched incident would not be so significant if Clarry had not over-handballed all day. I gave him one vote in the player of the round for his winning of the ball which was sensational, but only one vote because he created over-use.

OK Just checked replay. We had SIX players inside 50 seconds before Clarry set up Hogan for that crunch: Hannan (who flew for the previous contest), Watts, Neal-Bullen, Viney, Tyson and at least one other and also in the area was Petracca so the no option line does not hold up in IM(humble)O.

 

 

Edited April 2, 20178 yr by pitmaster

It feels a little bit like nitpicking to criticise a 19 year old with his second consecutive 35 possession game, who also marks and tackles, for a bit of ball overuse in a game where our forward line was cramped and dysfunctional.

I understand the criticism is intended to be constructive, but boy are we setting the bar high. I expect these sorts of issues will be resolved with experience. He's a baby still and already our best player.

4 minutes ago, Nasher said:

It feels a little bit like nitpicking to criticise a 19 year old with his second consecutive 35 possession game, who also marks and tackles, for a bit of ball overuse in a game where our forward line was cramped and dysfunctional.

I understand the criticism is intended to be constructive, but boy are we setting the bar high. I expect these sorts of issues will be resolved with experience. He's a baby still and already our best player.

Agree Nasher.

And it has been Clayton himself who has set the bar at that exalted level.

you forgot to mention his best stat... 1 tap-out

1 minute ago, low flying Robbo said:

you forgot to mention his best stat... 1 tap-out

I hope the coach was as livid about that as I was. Where the hell were Watts and Gawn?

22 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I hope the coach was as livid about that as I was. Where the hell were Watts and Gawn?

Gawn was off the ground. Both teams only had three in the middle, umpire wouldn't let Watts in (assume he was told not to come into the square although don't know why ) so he was standing at CHF.

28 minutes ago, low flying Robbo said:

you forgot to mention his best stat... 1 tap-out

He looked good in the ruck.

As a team, we really need to back ourselves in and look for the first option. We seem to overuse our handballs and look to walk our goals through as opposed to just backing yourself in and having a ping for goal. We always look to dish it off when instead the players should be kicking for goal...

15 minutes ago, leehow said:

Gawn was off the ground. Both teams only had three in the middle, umpire wouldn't let Watts in (assume he was told not to come into the square although don't know why ) so he was standing at CHF.

Yes that was strange. It was after the blue and Watts appeared confused about whether to go into the middle where we had only three players so its interesting the umpire would not let him in. Sorry off topic but it did give Clarry one more touch. Let's see if he is more willing to kick next week.

40 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I hope the coach was as livid about that as I was. Where the hell were Watts and Gawn?

Watts was involved in the scuffle at the top of our goal square for too long, they wouldn't let him in as it would have delayed the bounce.

51 minutes ago, Nasher said:

It feels a little bit like nitpicking to criticise a 19 year old with his second consecutive 35 possession game, who also marks and tackles, for a bit of ball overuse in a game where our forward line was cramped and dysfunctional.

I understand the criticism is intended to be constructive, but boy are we setting the bar high. I expect these sorts of issues will be resolved with experience. He's a baby still and already our best player.

A game like that is the best possible training environment.  Great learning opportunity and we still walk away with 4 points.

Is he capable of going head to head with Selwood? Just tell him to stand next to Joel and then win the ball. See how he goes. Those games were great for Viney's development. He thrives on responsibility so why not give it to him?

 

On 28/03/2017 at 10:40 AM, america de cali said:

The player Oliver reminds me the most is Greg Williams. DIfferent players from different eras but have similar impact around the stoppages. Quick of mind, hands and decision making.

He is quicker than Williams which I admit is not saying much, and overall will be a cut above him in the future. He will be one for the ages I have no doubt. Our mid field in two or three years time will be unstoppable.

Has any other player built their tank up as fast as Oliver?