Mr Dutton has made me sad

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

3 hours ago, Choke said:

Except I didn't actually post on the schools issue.

I posted on Dutton's quote of what constitutes a 'normal environment'. I even said the carols thing isn't a big issue for me. I didn't tell anyone to not celebrate anything. Hell I'm an athiest and I don't get offended when some says Merry Christmas. Honestly not that big a deal.

Did you actually read my post? Or just assume I was a leftie getting angry because the right are complaining about carols? I wasn't.

 

DC's probably right. I'm likely to thin skinned on the issue. Just that I don't like Dutton's exclusionary definition of what constitutes 'normal', especially given the trend of reducing religious belief. Probably a non-issue for a lot of people. Made me angry was all.

It's OK Choke.  When bereft of calm and rationale debate, people resort to epithets such as 'leftie'.  If 'leftie' means questioning the status quo then so be it.  I am a leftie and proud of it

[faultydet 7,593]

2 hours ago, iv'a worn smith said:

It's OK Choke.  When bereft of calm and rationale debate, people resort to epithets such as 'leftie'.  If 'leftie' means questioning the status quo then so be it.  I am a leftie and proud of it

iv'a, I'm sure that if you are searching for calm and rational, we are unlikely to see you anywhere near the hipster uni student protest movement?

Or any left wing protest for that matter. The last bastion of calm and rational, for sure.

I thought the post Trump election, Demmycrats dummy spit was a hoot. 

 

 

 

 

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

22 minutes ago, faultydet said:

iv'a, I'm sure that if you are searching for calm and rational, we are unlikely to see you anywhere near the hipster uni student protest movement?

Or any left wing protest for that matter. The last bastion of calm and rational, for sure.

I thought the post Trump election, Demmycrats dummy spit was a hoot. 

 

 

 

 

I am not a protesting Uni student, though I was during the Vietnam war days.  That said, standing up for what you truly believe in is not something that should automatically be trashed, simply because others disagree with a particular stance.  Name calling is the last bastion of scoundrels, much the same as jingoistic patriotism nationalism.

We live in a global economy.  That's fine, as it underwrites your superannuation.  But a global humanity?  No way. 

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

1 hour ago, faultydet said:

iv'a, I'm sure that if you are searching for calm and rational, we are unlikely to see you anywhere near the hipster uni student protest movement?

Or any left wing protest for that matter. The last bastion of calm and rational, for sure.

I thought the post Trump election, Demmycrats dummy spit was a hoot. 

 

 

 

 

Because the right wing was so rational when Obama won in 08?

http://www.revelist.com/politics/america-responds-obama/5855

My personal favourite:

 

 

 

 

 

There are nut jobs on both sides FD.

[faultydet 7,593]

5 hours ago, Choke said:

Because the right wing was so rational when Obama won in 08?

http://www.revelist.com/politics/america-responds-obama/5855

My personal favourite:

 

 

 

 

 

There are nut jobs on both sides FD.

Scum

Nothing more needs to be said. The extremes are certainly ugly, aren't they.

[faultydet 7,593]

5 hours ago, iv'a worn smith said:

I am not a protesting Uni student, though I was during the Vietnam war days.  That said, standing up for what you truly believe in is not something that should automatically be trashed, simply because others disagree with a particular stance.  Name calling is the last bastion of scoundrels, much the same as jingoistic patriotism nationalism.

We live in a global economy.  That's fine, as it underwrites your superannuation.  But a global humanity?  No way. 

If by global humanity, you mean open borders, then, I agree. No way.

 

I don't think you actually mean that though, do you?

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

10 hours ago, faultydet said:

If by global humanity, you mean open borders, then, I agree. No way.

 

I don't think you actually mean that though, do you?

What I mean is, while we are happy to reap the dividends of the cash in our super funds swilling around the world, it would be nice to also have some global humanity which recognises that commonly used cliches, urban myths and labels do not apply to all and sundry.

We have border control.  It is called the Migration Act and Regulations of Australia, with a recurring subclause regulation contained within the various Schedules of the Regulations that; the Minister must be satisfied.  By this clause alone, herein lies the unfettered power of the Minister.

But, rather, we choose to believe the tabloid media, rather than codified Law.

I find it pretty ironic that most people who wish to tarnish those seeking to come to Australia, also call themselves Christians.  Perhaps those same people might like to read the Beatitudes.

Anyway, that comes from a 'leftie', so feel free to dismiss it out of hand. 

[daisycutter 28,722]

[faultydet 7,593]

23 hours ago, iv'a worn smith said:

I am not a protesting Uni student, though I was during the Vietnam war days.  That said, standing up for what you truly believe in is not something that should automatically be trashed, simply because others disagree with a particular stance.  Name calling is the last bastion of scoundrels, much the same as jingoistic patriotism nationalism.

We live in a global economy.  That's fine, as it underwrites your superannuation.  But a global humanity?  No way. 

Can I ask a serious question please?

Were you one of the people who spat on the returning soldiers?

Not insinuating anything at all, but interested to know.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

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Can I ask a serious question please?

Were you one of the people who spat on the returning soldiers?

Not insinuating anything at all, but interested to know.

Not at all.  I have the utmost respect for those who fought a war foisted upon them by the government of the time.  I admire those who fought for what they believed in, even if I did not.  On one trip to the 'G this year, there was a fella selling 50 year Vietnam anniversary badges in Yarra Park.  I made a point of buying a $20 badge and I wore it with pride.

The period of the Vietnam War was part of me; it helped form what I am today.  But you highlight a point I have been trying to make.  Just because you may not agree with something, does not mean you have to trash talk those that do.

I go to Vietnam a lot for my work and when I do, I try to go to the places where the Aussies fought and sadly died.  

Edited December 20, 2016 by iv'a worn smith

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I protested the Vietnam War at the same time my brother was over there as a National Serviceman.

I had respect for the soldiers, but not for the government decision to involve our country in it. It was a stupid and needless war.

I wanted to bring my brother home as much as I wanted the war to end.

[faultydet 7,593]

4 hours ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Not at all.  I have the utmost respect for those who fought a war foisted upon them by the government of the time.  I admire those who fought for what they believed in, even if I did not.  On one trip to the 'G this year, there was a fella selling 50 year Vietnam anniversary badges in Yarra Park.  I made a point of buying a $20 badge and I wore it with pride.

The period of the Vietnam War was part of me; it helped form what I am today.  But you highlight a point I have been trying to make.  Just because you may not agree with something, does not mean you have to trash talk those that do.

I go to Vietnam a lot for my work and when I do, I try to go to the places where the Aussies fought and sadly died.  

I didn't highlight any point.

I asked a question, pure and simple. No malice intended.

Trash talking would get me banned.

I've been to Long Tan. Absolutely heroic deeds done in our name.

[faultydet 7,593]

11 hours ago, iv'a worn smith said:

What I mean is, while we are happy to reap the dividends of the cash in our super funds swilling around the world, it would be nice to also have some global humanity which recognises that commonly used cliches, urban myths and labels do not apply to all and sundry.

 

Wishy washy.

 

What do you actually mean?

 

I'm reading it as "some of your super is invested overseas, so we should do something something for overseas people maybe involving nice words"?

Edited December 20, 2016 by faultydet

[faultydet 7,593]

4 hours ago, mauriesy said:

I protested the Vietnam War at the same time my brother was over there as a National Serviceman.

I had respect for the soldiers, but not for the government decision to involve our country in it. It was a stupid and needless war.

I wanted to bring my brother home as much as I wanted the war to end.

Hope he made it home mate.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,785]

On 16/12/2016 at 1:09 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

Dutton is a right wing liberal, so don't expect too much. 

Their attitude i "My Way or else"

Dutton along with Brandis is on a par with Peter Reith for my most despised Canberra List Clogger

Ex-Queensland cop say no more

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

13 hours ago, faultydet said:

I didn't highlight any point.

I asked a question, pure and simple. No malice intended.

Trash talking would get me banned.

I've been to Long Tan. Absolutely heroic deeds done in our name.

"A boy cries out for his mama, before he dies for his home"

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

12 hours ago, faultydet said:

Wishy washy.

 

What do you actually mean?

 

I'm reading it as "some of your super is invested overseas, so we should do something something for overseas people maybe involving nice words"?

Mate, why are you being so antagonistic?   What is wishy washy about the fact that the majority of superannuants, other than those with self managed funds, will have at least a portion of their super invested in overseas markets and cash.  Pure fact.  So the point is, while we may be happy to reap the benefits which flow from a global economy, not many are happy to accept the sometimes harsh reality of a global humanity.  Rather ironic.

 

[faultydet 7,593]

24 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Mate, why are you being so antagonistic?   What is wishy washy about the fact that the majority of superannuants, other than those with self managed funds, will have at least a portion of their super invested in overseas markets and cash.  Pure fact.  So the point is, while we may be happy to reap the benefits which flow from a global economy, not many are happy to accept the sometimes harsh reality of a global humanity.  Rather ironic.

 

Im seeking an answer.

What is your actual definition of a "global humanity", as I have never heard of that term before.

Are you advocating open borders, freedom of movement? What the hell does the term mean?

 

I don't give a [censored] where my super is invested. Could not care less. Am I supposed to think I am part of suppressing the poor masses with my super?

Bloody hell mate, get a grip.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

2 hours ago, faultydet said:

Im seeking an answer.

What is your actual definition of a "global humanity", as I have never heard of that term before.

Are you advocating open borders, freedom of movement? What the hell does the term mean?

 

I don't give a [censored] where my super is invested. Could not care less. Am I supposed to think I am part of suppressing the poor masses with my super?

Bloody hell mate, get a grip.

I have not stated that anywhere in any of my posts mate.  Unfortunate that you need a definition of what a global humanity might be.  As I have previously stated, I have never advocated open borders.  We already have Laws in this country that protect our borders, known as the Migration Act and Regulations of Australia.  But to demonise people who seek to come here is an entirely different issue.  I think it might be you who needs to get  grip on the facts.  You have missed the point entirely.

Merry Christmas and Peace on Earth.

 

Edited December 21, 2016 by iv'a worn smith

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

3 hours ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Mate, why are you being so antagonistic?   What is wishy washy about the fact that the majority of superannuants, other than those with self managed funds, will have at least a portion of their super invested in overseas markets and cash.  Pure fact.  So the point is, while we may be happy to reap the benefits which flow from a global economy, not many are happy to accept the sometimes harsh reality of a global humanity.  Rather ironic.

 

A lot of SMSF's actually have overseas exposure as well via managed funds, so it might be even more Australians than you thought.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

11 minutes ago, Choke said:

A lot of SMSF's actually have overseas exposure as well via managed funds, so it might be even more Australians than you thought.

I suspect you are right Choke, but I was trying to be conservative on that one

[nutbean 8,837]

On 12/19/2016 at 1:12 PM, daisycutter said:

who wants to be 'normal', choke 

i dream of being normal....alas.....sigh...

[nutbean 8,837]

On 12/19/2016 at 1:26 PM, iv'a worn smith said:

  When bereft of calm and rationale debate, people resort to epithets.

 This will just about do it.

 

[daisycutter 28,722]

6 hours ago, nutbean said:

i dream of being normal....alas.....sigh...

ok nut, you are a white, racist, capitalist colonial. feel any better?

[Biffen 12,519]

On 23/12/2016 at 5:27 PM, daisycutter said:

ok nut, you are a white, racist, capitalist colonial. feel any better?

I must confess that as a left wing radical youth I opposed men like Dutton.

As the labour movement finds transgender transitioning, Refugees and a leader with a pronounced speech impediment to be the way forward I find myself drawn  now towards those who speak the truth.

Duttons denouncement of the Lebanese families who support terrorism and have caused 70% of the terrorist acts here won me over.

Multiculturalism works only when you have a reasonably compatible intake of people.

I like Brexit and I'm enthused byTrumps victory .

 The white colonial has brought with him the rule of law, medicine as we know it, and respectable governance wherever he lives.

We hear a lot of criticism of whitey but as far as colonising goes the British and French improved the world.

Africa,India and the Middle East would be nowhere without them.A fact that irks many of them but they would still be flogging spice with an abacus if  the white colonial devil didn't come proselytising .

Waleed Aly will come out and knock Duttons speech in parliament which is his right.

Waleed Aly reads co written speeches seeking mass appeal. He is wedged by facts. He speaks of Colonialism as the chief destroyer of the magnificent Ottoman Empire and its revered institutions.

Tough luck to the Ottomans.

I really don't see an alternative to Western Democracy in  a world still under the spell of ancient religion.

 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2016 by Biffen