Reading between the lines Motlop is not a professional in his preparation. 

As an outside player would improve at a team like the Dees with better midfield than the Cats but the doubts over his professionalism and competitive nature are significant issues. 

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Oath.

You've just got to giggle at posters who relentlessly draw black lines through players names who haven't played consistently good football yet.

It's as if people have no [censored] idea about how clubs operate.

Every draft pick and trade has a risk attached. And every year we see clubs unearth gems and at the same time, have players who don't end up working out.

There are numerous stories of players who struggle with discipline who seemingly are able to turn it around. Michael Walters being one. Even Gary Ablett was told he didn't work or train hard enough and that if he did, he could become anything.

Motlop hardly has 'disciplinary issues'. There'd be that many players who would turn up at pre-season training who could have been in better shape. Garlett and Hogan for us last year? Should we trade them this year?

Ya'll carry on like damn fools. Motlop has runs on the board as posters have pointed out and if the club are interested in securing him then [censored], we should be excited at the opportunity of what he may return rather than think about how he performed in his last game.

I can guarantee the same posters think Jack Watts is Jesus after having one really good year out of how many poo ones?

Srsly.

Our biggest issue as a club in my opinion is inconsistency of performance, and Motlops biggest issue as a player right now is also inconsistency of performance, his best is absolutely AA quality, not sure many would argue with that, but he's also very capable of soft efforts in the contest and going completely missing in games as well. 

I really think given where we're at, he's not the type of player we should be bringing in, especially given what it would cost to do so. 

 

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Make sure you tell him I said Hi 

He said thanks.

2 hours ago, demoniac said:

Reading between the lines Motlop is not a professional in his preparation. 

As an outside player would improve at a team like the Dees with better midfield than the Cats but the doubts over his professionalism and competitive nature are significant issues. 

Did you say Melbourne have a better midfield than Geelong?

You must have missed out round 23 encounter.

1 hour ago, Abe said:

Our biggest issue as a club in my opinion is inconsistency of performance, and Motlops biggest issue as a player right now is also inconsistency of performance, his best is absolutely AA quality, not sure many would argue with that, but he's also very capable of soft efforts in the contest and going completely missing in games as well. 

I really think given where we're at, he's not the type of player we should be bringing in, especially given what it would cost to do so. 

 

Good post, and largely I agree.

But as I'm sure you know, we are a very different club these days and there is no magic formula for the turnaround for a player.

A change of environment has been just the thing to kick players into gear as history shows. And yes, it goes the other way too.

I'm not hellbent on getting him. But I definitely think he'd offer a lot to our list.

3 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Good post, and largely I agree.

But as I'm sure you know, we are a very different club these days and there is no magic formula for the turnaround for a player.

A change of environment has been just the thing to kick players into gear as history shows. And yes, it goes the other way too.

I'm not hellbent on getting him. But I definitely think he'd offer a lot to our list.

I suppose that's what the club has to weigh up, it might not be a great comparison but i see as being a little similar to when Eddie Betts moved to the crows, he's certainly more highly thought of now, than he was then. 

deledio for motlop is doing the rounds on all the usual rumour spots.

Motlop would be another Lumumba ……………….. very rarely gets onto the park.

6 minutes ago, ENYAW said:

Motlop would be another Lumumba ……………….. very rarely gets onto the park.

Odd post. In the past five seasons, he's played 22, 24, 17, 20 and 24 games.

8 minutes ago, Members' Wing said:

Odd post. In the past five seasons, he's played 22, 24, 17, 20 and 24 games.

They are his forte, so to speak.

3 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Good post, and largely I agree.

But as I'm sure you know, we are a very different club these days and there is no magic formula for the turnaround for a player.

A change of environment has been just the thing to kick players into gear as history shows. And yes, it goes the other way too.

I'm not hellbent on getting him. But I definitely think he'd offer a lot to our list.

I was someone who was lukewarm to the idea of chasing Motlop, and for largely the reasons that Abe mentioned.

However, I don't discount his abilities and the X-factor he would bring to our side.  With plenty of hard, in and under types, he would complement that really well.  The problem is - how often would he complement it, as opposed to frustrating the hell out of us?

I think it's a moot point as the Cats will be looking for a high price, and I don't think he is necessarily worth that.  The Cats are apparently keen on getting in more leg speed, yet they are keen to offload their quickest player.  That speaks volumes to me.

35 minutes ago, ENYAW said:

Motlop would be another Lumumba ……………….. very rarely gets onto the park.

Are people just posting any BS the sake of posting? I mean [censored]. 

 

Motlop would make a good backup ruckman to Gawn because he's actually 8 feet tall and not many people know this but he's faster than Usain Bolt. Also kicked 500 goals in one season from full back. 

29 minutes ago, Deestroy All said:

Are people just posting any BS the sake of posting? 

 

lol

20 hours ago, DominatrixTyson said:

Hey DeeSpencer, I just wanted to mention that it's not a matter of arbitrarily grouping people together just because of their race, but acknowledging that many indigenous boys talk about a special brotherhood, bond or comraderie they share together at each club.  We have a young leader in Neville Jetta who was nominated for the Jim Stynes medal for community leadership who has signed long term and is purported to have a strong work ethic and is defensively disciplined who would be an ideal mentor for Motlop and I mentioned Geelong because it seems Motlop is the most senior indigenous player at their club and seems a little afloat. Everyone is an individual of course but there are generalisations that have an element of truth. I could be making a wrong assumption, but I just feel these "Geelong have a great environment, so he wouldnt last at our club" comments are a bit simplistic and underestimate the club culture we're growing and can offer that perhaps Geelong can't. It would be a bad generalisation to just assume it is or it isn't a factor. It's just a potentiality.

Hey DeeSpencer,

I just wanted to mention that it's not a matter of arbitrarily grouping people together just because of their race, but acknowledging that many indigenous boys talk about a special brotherhood, bond or comraderie they share together at each club.

 We have a young leader in Neville Jetta who was nominated for the Jim Stynes medal for community leadership who has signed long term and is purported to have a strong work ethic and is defensively disciplined who would be an ideal mentor for Motlop.

I mentioned Geelong because it seems Motlop is the most senior indigenous player at their club and seems a little afloat. Everyone is an individual of course but there are generalisations that have an element of truth.

I could be making a wrong assumption, but I just feel these "Geelong have a great environment, so he wouldnt last at our club" comments are a bit simplistic and underestimate the club culture we're growing and can offer that perhaps Geelong can't.

It would be a bad generalisation to just assume it is or it isn't a factor. It's just a potentiality.

GREAT POST

 

2 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

deledio for motlop is doing the rounds on all the usual rumour spots.

I'm hoping Tigers lose both Lids and Dusty this trade period.

 

12 hours ago, DubDee said:

yeah or maybe people's opinion is just different to yours

Motllop is exactly what Geelong need, they rely on 2 A graders in their midfield so you have to ask why would they be interested in letting him go? He has averaged 16 possessions in 8 finals so clearly goes missing when the heat is on.  Some might get seduced by his obvious talent but I'd prefer to make competiveness and heart a non-negoitable for trading players in. He looked like he wasn't even trying last week.

he wouldnt get a look in at the Dogs under Bevo thats for sure

absolutely DubDee. 

Motlop is a very big NO from me.

I've never been convinced by Garlett & now after a new contract, he gone missing in action.  We do not want 2 types of soft fruit in our barrel.

6 hours ago, ENYAW said:

Motlop would be another Lumumba ……………….. very rarely gets onto the park.

Worse, Lamumba will have a dip. Maybe make the wrong choice, but he will go in.  So he puts in.  And hates to be a let down.  Some don't care enough about team.

Motlop may be a good pick up for the MFC.

If our recruiting team decide to pick him up then I would back them in to get it right. I don't believe they make these decisions on a whim or get caught up in the emotion.

I would expect them to maintain there non-negotiables for the type of players that will help the club achieve the ultimate.

Personally I always think that a trade whisper like the one put on twitter can be used to get a player to a club but not necessarily the club named in the tweet.

It is not all about possessions and goals. In two high pressure finals Motlop laid three tackles. If the club decides to chase him I will fully back their decision as they know a lot more about building a playing list than I do, however my first inclination is to pass on Motlop.

On 28 September 2016 at 1:58 AM, mo64 said:

Actually heard that on SEN this morning which sought of shocked me. You don't hear that often being said about an AFL footballer. 

 

On 28 September 2016 at 2:05 AM, mo64 said:

I think it was Tim Watson, which is why I was shocked.

As if Tim Watson was liked by anyone on the St Kilda list when he coached!

Looking at the way we've built our list and the way team selection has gone, this year especially, it would appear our two highest values are competitiveness and consistency of effort. We've brought in competitors, there's no doubt about that, not always the most skilled either. Frost, OMac, Bugg, Harmes, Oliver all were regularly picked despite various skill deficiencies, while more skilled players were left in the VFL. Didn't matter if you were an outside player or an inside player, the expectations were the same. Have a look at Garlett this year, dropped even though he has those traits of speed and x-factor that we're saying Motlop would bring.

I can't see us bringing in a player who does not epitomize those qualities we are basing our list, and our culture, on, and this argument of "oh but we have other players who do the hard work" flies against everything Roos has built our club on the last few years. Can you see Goodwin, Jones and even Viney accepting this kind of attitude? "Don't worry mate, we'll tackle, fight and win the ball, you just hang around on the outside and go for a run every now and then when you feel like..." Yeah, don't think so.

 

11 hours ago, DV8 said:

Worse, Lamumba will have a dip. Maybe make the wrong choice, but he will go in.

Amusing. 

Lumumba is one of the softest players I've seen in red and blue.

14 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Amusing. 

Lumumba is one of the softest players I've seen in red and blue.

Yet you want to sign Motlop...

 

9 hours ago, ProDee said:

Amusing. 

Lumumba is one of the softest players I've seen in red and blue.

motlop isn't in rednblue, so we should add all of them we can.

8 hours ago, stuie said:

Yet you want to sign Motlop...

 

thats it in a nutshell.

No thanks. Keeps getting fatter.

Remember Todd Viney a few years back going on about four pillars they were looking for in recruits:

... the recruiters rank the players on competitiveness, physical attributes, football attributes and character.

Not sure if Motlop fits all of these.