North delists 4 'stars'

[Dr. Gonzo 24,443]

11 minutes ago, Want a Flag said:

Why take Harvey as a player. Take him as a part time coach of our small forwards and any other crumbing drills. Saves a place on the list whilst tapping into his knowledge and experience

Because he would be in our best 22 and has attributes that we lack.

[Redleg 41,942]

Boomer will figure in the Roos B & F and is still one of their best players.

While on his age he should have been gone years ago, on form he deserves another season. 

Very strange indeed and timing more so. 

[faultydet 7,623]

And so begins the rapid plummet of a team that had delusions of winning a flag with 30yr old top ups.

I don't normally like to laugh at the despair of others, but norf norf norf norf norf........... 

[Rob Mac...... 638]

27 minutes ago, Want a Flag said:

Why take Harvey as a player. Take him as a part time coach of our small forwards and any other crumbing drills. Saves a place on the list whilst tapping into his knowledge and experience

16 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Because he would be in our best 22 and has attributes that we lack.

Absolutely agreed Gonzo.  And also because players learn things from watching a player alongside them do it, that they can't learn as well from a coach just telling them what to do.

[Lucifers Hero 40,516]

A bizzare comment from Scott:  “We were determined to give their players the opportunity for their friends and family and loved ones, along with the fans and supporters to farewell them in Melbourne,” he said. 

Sounds like he has effectively surrendered the rnd 23 game vs GWS because surely they expect WBD to beat Lions.  If Adel beat WCE and North beat GWS, North would play WBD in Melbourne for 1st Elim. Seems defeatist to me!   They could even beat the WBD in the elim final given the Bulldogs injury woes. 

The timing is bizzare.  Should tell the 4 guys next Monday when they have 2 weeks to process it not 4 days before a critical game.

[Lucifers Hero 40,516]

How many people saying we should take Boomer would think that if it stopped one of Kent, Salem, Hunt, Stretch, Braysure getting games and the experience of playing and gelling together.  Or what if it meant Garlett was out of the team.  Because to include Boomer someone has to go!  

Big NO from me.  No room in our team for a selfish, whinging, diver who would deny one of our young guys valuable experience.  

Edited August 24, 2016 by Lucifer's Hero

[Cards13 9,117]

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

How many people saying we should take Boomer for a year would think the same if it meant it stopped one of Kent, Salem, Hunt, Stretch, Braysure getting games and the experience of playing and gelling together.  Or what if it meant Garlett was out of the team.  Because to include Boomer someone has to go!  

Big NO from me.  No room in our team for a selfish, sniping diver who would deny one of our young guys valuable experience.  

If it means we win more games and play finals and he is in best 22, so be it. I'd take him, he'd be 3rd in our goal kicking this year. (I know it is this year and he may fall off a cliff etc).

[stuie 7,374]

10 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

How many people saying we should take Boomer would think that if it meant it stopped one of Kent, Salem, Hunt, Stretch, Braysure getting games and the experience of playing and gelling together.  Or what if it meant Garlett was out of the team.  Because to include Boomer someone has to go!  

Big NO from me.  No room in our team for a selfish, whinging, diver who would deny one of our young guys valuable experience.  

Exactly. North are getting rid of these guys to make way for their youngsters, so why would we take one of them when our youngsters are 100x better?

 

[Lucifers Hero 40,516]

1 minute ago, Cards13 said:

If it means we win more games and play finals and he is in best 22, so be it. I'd take him, he'd be 3rd in our goal kicking this year. (I know it is this year and he may fall off a cliff etc).

I get that Cards, but I repeat who would you leave out of our team?  Our small forwards (one of whom Harvey would most likely replace) are Garlett who has kicked 27 goals and Kent who has kicked 26.  Harvey kicked 34. 

Not sure that increases our chances of playing finals next year.  I would still prefer a team with Garlett, Kent and our young guys than a team with Harvey replacing one of them. 

[Cards13 9,117]

Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

I get that Cards, but I repeat who would you leave out of our team?  Our small forwards (one of whom Harvey would most likely replace) are Garlett who has kicked 27 goals and Kent who has kicked 26.  Harvey kicked 34. 

Not sure that increases our chances of playing finals next year.  I would still prefer a team with Garlett, Kent and our young guys than a team with Harvey replacing one of them. 

Harvey ave 21 disposals a game vs 16 from Kent just as example. Harvey is a more skilful player with ball in hand and makes better descisions than Kento. 

The way I see it if any player, if they come in for 1 or 10 years, if they improve our chance of winning then let's do it. I think we get hung up on "potential" and "upside" and still "getting games" into players. My thoughts any way.

[stuie 7,374]

1 minute ago, Cards13 said:

Harvey ave 21 disposals a game vs 16 from Kent just as example. Harvey is a more skilful player with ball in hand and makes better descisions than Kento. 

The way I see it if any player, if they come in for 1 or 10 years, if they improve our chance of winning then let's do it. I think we get hung up on "potential" and "upside" and still "getting games" into players. My thoughts any way.

Their careers are heading in different directions though, plus I think you're getting to "hung up" on stats.

 

[old55 23,833]

26 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

... Braysure getting games ...

Nope, Nasher banned him

[thesleepinggiant 160]

22 hours ago, Demon Spofforth said:

Well Hibberd is far from a guarantee and from what I've seen of Melksham his decision making isn't a highlight.

Of course it would come down to what we get in the trade period and only as a delisted agent if the need was there after trades.

Just wish Salem had come on enough to make these discussions irrelevant.

Salem has "come on" 

His illness resurfaced ffs...

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

May have another year of contract left.

Thought the same so did a quick search, he came from the blues on a two year contract, so unless he has recently signed for next year, doesn't seem to be the case

[daisycutter 29,892]

13 minutes ago, thesleepinggiant said:

Salem has "come on" 

His illness resurfaced ffs...

atm salem is more potential than reality imo, so i'd agree he hasn't (yet) "come on". i hope and expect he will, but we need to wait and see 

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

How many people saying we should take Boomer would think that if it stopped one of Kent, Salem, Hunt, Stretch, Braysure getting games and the experience of playing and gelling together.  Or what if it meant Garlett was out of the team.  Because to include Boomer someone has to go!  

Big NO from me.  No room in our team for a selfish, whinging, diver who would deny one of our young guys valuable experience.  

It is hard to argue with that, but what if Harvey could be the difference between us making and possibly winning some finals,  and falling just short again. Plus there's going to be injuries,  and if guys in the reserves are going to be pushing harder to usurp Harvey then that bodes well for depth and competition for spots. 

I hate the little rat,  but it's a big yes from me 

[Redleg 41,942]

21 minutes ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

Thought the same so did a quick search, he came from the blues on a two year contract, so unless he has recently signed for next year, doesn't seem to be the case

Maybe they think next year could be the one year of his career, where he doesn't miss a block of games due to injury, as he has done his whole career.

[dino rover 714]

They realise now (too late) that dads army dont cut it

[Dr. Gonzo 24,443]

1 hour ago, Rob Mac...... said:

Why take Harvey as a player. Take him as a part time coach of our small forwards and any other crumbing drills. Saves a place on the list whilst tapping into his knowledge and experience

Absolutely agreed Gonzo.  And also because players learn things from watching a player alongside them do it, that they can't learn as well from a coach just telling them what to do.

Strikes me as another smart "Daniel Cross" type pick up if we were able to land him.

[tilly18 308]

I see absolutely no reason at all to add any of these 4 to our list.

The list is in a different place from when Roos took over 3 seasons ago. The only players we should be adding to this list are players who can help win the next premiership.

To bring Harvey in tells me we have made no ground which is clearly wrong.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,443]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

How many people saying we should take Boomer would think that if it stopped one of Kent, Salem, Hunt, Stretch, Braysure getting games and the experience of playing and gelling together.  Or what if it meant Garlett was out of the team.  Because to include Boomer someone has to go!  

Big NO from me.  No room in our team for a selfish, whinging, diver who would deny one of our young guys valuable experience.  

Because a club only ever uses 22 players and no injuries occur right?

I would've rather had him on the weekend than Michie or Neal-Bullen. At various stages through the year we've had Matt Jones, Grimes, Michie, Mitch White, Trengove, Wagner, BK, Lumumba in the team as well as guys like JKH, Newton and Terlich on the list. Then theres Harmes, Bugg, Kent and VDB who while having time on their side arent as good as Harvey.

All I'm worried about from here on out is winning now. If Harvey is the difference between 8th and 6th or 6th and 4th you'd turn your nose up at him because it might mean Harmes or Kent get fewer games?

Edited August 24, 2016 by Dr. Gonzo

[tilly18 308]

12 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Because a club only ever uses 22 players and no injuries occur right?

I would've rather had him on the weekend than Michie or Neal-Bullen. At various stages through the year we've had Matt Jones, Grimes, Michie, Mitch White, Trengove, Wagner, BK, Lumumba in the team as well as guys like JKH, Newton and Terlich on the list. Then theres Harmes, Bugg, Kent and VDB who while having time on their side arent as good as Harvey.

All I'm worried about from here on out is winning now. If Harvey is the difference between 8th and 6th or 6th and 4th you'd turn your nose up at him because it might mean Harmes or Kent get fewer games?

Would you use a spot on the list for Harvey next year or use that spot to try and find another Jayden Hunt?

[chook fowler 19,694]

They should have sacked Scott as well

[MadAsHell 4,217]

3 minutes ago, tilly18 said:

Would you use a spot on the list for Harvey next year or use that spot to try and find another Jayden Hunt?

Or a Max King?

Goes both ways.

[Cards13 9,117]

11 minutes ago, tilly18 said:

Would you use a spot on the list for Harvey next year or use that spot to try and find another Jayden Hunt?

Harvey, I want to win now, Hunt took a couple of years to develop into the potential he is showing now.