7 minutes ago, Dante said:

That is true, but where do we draw the line and lose games we should win, because we choose players that are not ready over those that can help the club improve its win loss ratio?

There are some players that should have been left in the VFL for the year and some players that have been at Casey for most of the year that should have been given some game time. Look at Spence, he is 27 this year, he has played 39 games in 8 years, surely they should either play him or move him on. Would there be any point in reprising his game last year against Geelong.

 

I agree Dante I don't have the slightest doubt that this year on a number of occasions we have not picked the team with the best chance of winning the game.

 

8 hours ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

What??? The AFL and media would much rather us have won yesterday! They love stories, and a late charge forcing North into winning Saturday night is exactly what they would have wanted. They dont want the 8 to be set they want every game to be of interest, the intrest in the Geelong - Melbourne game this week just dropped tenfold with that loss. There is no conspirecy to fix yesterdays result and if there was it would have been in our favor not against it. God I hate when people start to blame a poor performance on the AFL. Both teams played on the same ground in the same conditions and unfortuatly our team was flat, deal with it.

Gee I would hate the see what the free kick count would have been if the Umpires and AFL did not like us.  

24 minutes ago, old dee said:

I agree Dante I don't have the slightest doubt that this year on a number of occasions we have not picked the team with the best chance of winning the game.

 

I agree but to do it last week was very strange. To go into Round 23 with a chance of stealing a Top 8 spot is Gold for the Club Marketing, but 5 minutes in it was game over. 

My daughter and I were sitting in almost the same seats as the Essendon game in the Ponsford Stand, you could tell in the first five minutes that the Blue baggers were playing us in the same manner as the Bombers and Saints, hard at us in the middle, nullifying Gawn and putting our mid's on the back foot. They were clean with their hands and kicked to moving targets. They scored easier goals and showed up our inexperience around the ground, they received the free kicks that they should have received and we did not. later in the game we had the opportunities to peg them back but continued to hit up their back men (standing by themselves in our forward line??) or kicked point after point after point. It was difficult to watch after coming off our best month of Footy in almost ten years. It was an insipid display for A TEAM THAT HAD A "SNIFF". I Love the Dee's but found this Defeat very difficult to accept. Go Dee's!!!!

47 minutes ago, old dee said:

I agree Dante I don't have the slightest doubt that this year on a number of occasions we have not picked the team with the best chance of winning the game.

 

OD I agree and as I said earlier we got a $500K fine for not tanking in 2009 for doing a lot less than what we saw yesterday, that is not picking the best team, then not manning up on their three play makers. I don't get it. 

15 hours ago, old dee said:

But will you get one Mr. Leg?

Geelong at Geelong when they have little to play for Hmm I doubt it.

Despite everything on sunday, if a few of our shots had been converted, we would have won.

VDB, Jesse, Jones, Petracca and Watts missed 11 fairly regulation shots. 

13 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

OD I agree and as I said earlier we got a $500K fine for not tanking in 2009 for doing a lot less than what we saw yesterday, that is not picking the best team, then not manning up on their three play makers. I don't get it. 

But Josh Mahoney didn't make a joke about sacking everyone. 

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Despite everything on sunday, if a few of our shots had been converted, we would have won.

VDB, Jesse, Jones, Petracca and Watts missed 11 fairly regulation shots. 

You know what they say about bad kicking.

We were playing a team that had  lost nine on the trot, this was close behind Essendrug as our worst performance for the year.

I am bitterly disappointed it that effort.

We were clearly out played by Carlton they got the points and we did not.

Have calmed down a bit and think it was a case of a young team hitting the wall after being up for a few weeks. It happens. Move on.

2 minutes ago, old dee said:

You know what they say about bad kicking.

We were playing a team that had  lost nine on the trot, this was close behind Essendrug as our worst performance for the year.

I am bitterly disappointed it that effort.

We were clearly out played by Carlton they got the points and we did not.

Agree. Just saying with all that we did wrong a few better kicks and we still would have won. I also believe if we had got in front we would have kicked away, with the doubt coming back to the Blues.

19 hours ago, iv'a worn smith said:

I got the sense from Roos' past match that he genuinely believes that if we made the finals this year, it would do more harm than good.  If we got belted in a final, it is possible that the dent in confidence may be irretrievable.  Personally, I am of that view as well.  Selection decisions were somewhat hard to fathom.  I am not sure if it had anything to do with senior players having to qualify for Casey finals.  I haven't checked the stats on that,  but selection was hard to work out.  That said, right now I think Carlton see us as their Biartch

I think Roos wants something far more sustainable than anything we have had before and does not want to replicate Port's effort of a few years ago, only to drop of dramatically in the years following.  This is a one step at a time process of continuing to educate the mindset.

I only hope we finish off the year with a red hot crack against the [censored] and a launching pad into 2017.

Can the moderators explain to me why the vernacular term for cats, warrants being [censored] on here?  Seems very odd to me.  I can only guess that the moderators see it as some sort of sexual/sexist term, but methinks that is drawing a very long bow.  What has the world come to .............. really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

19 hours ago, iv'a worn smith said:

I got the sense from Roos' past match that he genuinely believes that if we made the finals this year, it would do more harm than good.  If we got belted in a final, it is possible that the dent in confidence may be irretrievable.  Personally, I am of that view as well.  Selection decisions were somewhat hard to fathom.  I am not sure if it had anything to do with senior players having to qualify for Casey finals.  I haven't checked the stats on that,  but selection was hard to work out.  That said, right now I think Carlton see us as their Biartch

I think Roos wants something far more sustainable than anything we have had before and does not want to replicate Port's effort of a few years ago, only to drop of dramatically in the years following.  This is a one step at a time process of continuing to educate the mindset.

I only hope we finish off the year with a red hot crack against the [censored] and a launching pad into 2017.

Ohhh I see we played appalling unaccounatable football as a part of some Roos plan not to make the finals

Ahhh no wonder the team selections were so poor. All is very clear now.

17 minutes ago, jackaub said:

Ohhh I see we played appalling unaccounatable football as a part of some Roos plan not to make the finals

Ahhh no wonder the team selections were so poor. All is very clear now.

Maybe.  Perhaps bigger picture stuff????

Teams have worked out that to nullify Viney, they just need to nullify Gawn.

 

Viney has little impact when Gawn is nullified.

48 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Maybe.  Perhaps bigger picture stuff????

Iv'a is there a bigger picture then winning this game against Carlton and then going on with the season to potentially make the finals for the first time in more than a decade?

If there is it sure must be a beauty.

OD, as I said in my original post, I found some of the selection decisions hard to fathom.  I admit, I may be drawing a long bow, but I was just looking for some method, in what seems to be some selection madness.  Once again, we did not come to play and I reckon if we are honest, we knew in the first 20 minutes that a loss was well and truly on the cards.  Absolutely disappointing outcome, but maybe their collective eyes were on a bigger picture for the future.  Or maybe, there minds were on a bigger prize a week later and they simply - once again - got ahead of themselves.

We couldn't even win two in a row before this season.  Then we made it 3 in a row, for such a young team, that had a huge amount of travel at the tail end of the season, I think 4 in a row (no matter who the opponent is) was too tough.  

6 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

OD, as I said in my original post, I found some of the selection decisions hard to fathom.  I admit, I may be drawing a long bow, but I was just looking for some method, in what seems to be some selection madness.  Once again, we did not come to play and I reckon if we are honest, we knew in the first 20 minutes that a loss was well and truly on the cards.  Absolutely disappointing outcome, but maybe their collective eyes were on a bigger picture for the future.  Or maybe, there minds were on a bigger prize a week later and they simply - once again - got ahead of themselves.

Totally agree iv'a especially that line above

3 minutes ago, Bells said:

We couldn't even win two in a row before this season.  Then we made it 3 in a row, for such a young team, that had a huge amount of travel at the tail end of the season, I think 4 in a row (no matter who the opponent is) was too tough.  

It was not for Carlton with an equally young team and returning from Brisbane after a loss.

You are trying to find excuses for a poor performance.

Just now, old dee said:

It was not for Carlton with an equally young team and returning from Brisbane after a loss.

You are trying to find excuses for a poor performance.

No I am not making excuses.  I think you will find what I said is fact - many away games at this end of the season - fact.  Not able to win 2 in a row before this season - fact.  This season we won 2x in a row and the 3x in a row - improvement.  

Goals win games - we had the same amount of shots on goal as Carlton.  The more we missed the more the players heads went down - they are young, they don't yet have the experience to turn it around when it's going against us.

 

3 minutes ago, Bells said:

No I am not making excuses.  I think you will find what I said is fact - many away games at this end of the season - fact.  Not able to win 2 in a row before this season - fact.  This season we won 2x in a row and the 3x in a row - improvement.  

Goals win games - we had the same amount of shots on goal as Carlton.  The more we missed the more the players heads went down - they are young, they don't yet have the experience to turn it around when it's going against us.

 

I am not arguing that we have not improved this year Bells.

I am suggesting that we into this game in a better position or worst equal position to Carlton and they out played us for the first bounce.

The rest is just excuses IMO.

 

10 minutes ago, old dee said:

I am not arguing that we have not improved this year Bells.

I am suggesting that we into this game in a better position or worst equal position to Carlton and they out played us for the first bounce.

The rest is just excuses IMO.

 

Fair enough.  We surely need goal kicking practice - especially after starting the year with the best kicking percentage.  Reasons, excuses it's all semantics really.  
Out of interest where are the stats for ages and games played for The Carlton game?

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The Carlton side on the weekend was more than 2 years older than ours on average. They are a developing side but young they are not.

We still should've beaten them, and would have if we brought their level of intensity. The poor goal kicking may well have been a flow on from the overall lack of concentration. Accuracy in front of goal hasn't been a major problem for us this season. Our accuracy rate is second only to GWS. On Sunday we couldn't buy a goal.

1 minute ago, old dee said:

I am not arguing that we have not improved this year Bells.

I am suggesting that we into this game in a better position or worst equal position to Carlton and they out played us for the first bounce.

The rest is just excuses IMO.

 

If people can't see that Carlton have the wood on us then they aren't looking, we have beaten them once in the last 9 years. I don't give a stuff if we have different players and coaches and they do as well, they still manage to beat us no matter what. Even back in 2006 when we finished up playing finals and Carlton finished last, they beat us twice and only won one other game for the year.

1 hour ago, olisik said:

Teams have worked out that to nullify Viney, they just need to nullify Gawn.

 

Viney has little impact when Gawn is nullified.

Hawthorn and Port will be smacking their foreheads with vigor.  If only they'd thought about trying to nullify Gawn.