26 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

But why? They don't mean diddly squat.

Exactly but I realise that, hence I don't get cut with some of the comedians on here, like others do

33 minutes ago, stuie said:

 

Right, so Dawes has great hands then. He doesn't show it all the time, but he does have it.

 

Oh spare me.

The Weed came in for Hoges and should make way IMO.  I was very impressed with Pedo - marking, bringing the ball to ground and general competiveness. We have a better chance of winning with Pedo and Hogan playing

The only other change to consider would be Kennedy for Garlett

14 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Exactly but I realise that, hence I don't get cut with some of the comedians on here, like others do

Then stop having a cry every time someone expresses an opinion that you do not agree with.

13 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Oh spare me.

Same logic mate. Doing something once doesn't mean you have that quality.

As I said, I expect him to work hard on it and improve his disposal, but Harmes is not a classy player at this stage.

 

I think the club will think about the future and go Hogan for Pederson (Jones said everyone is excited to have weid's and Hogan in same forward line). Not sure if anyone else will get changed.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-08/demons-confident-gawn-will-adapt-to-facing-mobile-ruckman-trengove

"I'm sure all our Melbourne supporters are excited – I know the club's excited – to see Weids and Jesse play in the same team," Jones said.

"Having spoken to Jesse, he was disappointed he couldn't be out there for Weids' first game because they've both been excited about the prospect of playing together."

Gotta feel for Pederson, made a good contribution, but no, he is not ahead of Hogan.

I'm a little worried about Garlett. And Garlett should be worried about Kennedy and Kennedy-Harris!

I would think there might be a change or two out of the group of mids, half-forward and half-backs who between them include a lot of potentially tired kids, a few more players who have have injury interruptions, and so on.

I think selection pretty much comes down to energy levels and bruises this week. There's none 'demanding' to be dropped and several earning a place coming up. 

Good times!

1 hour ago, stuie said:

 

Right, so Dawes has great hands then. He doesn't show it all the time, but he does have it.

 

OMG

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Then stop having a cry every time someone expresses an opinion that you do not agree with.

You don't get it do you?

Surely they won't drop Harmesy.

He and Brayshaw walking off the "G" arm in arm singing the song was one of the highlights of the day for me.

That and his brushed tackle, don't argue then kick to Kent in the first. 

23 minutes ago, deespicable me said:

Surely they won't drop Harmesy.

He and Brayshaw walking off the "G" arm in arm singing the song was one of the highlights of the day for me.

That and his brushed tackle, don't argue then kick to Kent in the first. 

Classy, huh?

1 hour ago, stuie said:

Same logic mate. Doing something once doesn't mean you have that quality.

As I said, I expect him to work hard on it and improve his disposal, but Harmes is not a classy player at this stage.

 

I wouldn't expect you to be able to understand the difference.

But go ahead, post again and make sure you have the last word as you always need to do, because I won't be responding.

20 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Kent er no, Omac er no, VDB er no     hang on Harmes and Garlett if....  anyone makes way it is because the Footy Dept decides not the experts on here

So just close thread then Saty? We shouldn't even discuss it?

10 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

I wouldn't expect you to be able to understand the difference.

But go ahead, post again and make sure you have the last word as you always need to do, because I won't be responding.

Mate, you haven't explained the difference. I'm more than willing to listen and was obviously being a bit cheeky with the Dawes comparison, but I stand by my point of saying just because you do something once it doesn't mean you "have" that quality. Doing it consistently, means you do.

 

4 minutes ago, stuie said:

Mate, you haven't explained the difference. I'm more than willing to listen and was obviously being a bit cheeky with the Dawes comparison, but I stand by my point of saying just because you do something once it doesn't mean you "have" that quality. Doing it consistently, means you do.

 

That point alone is technically correct, yes, but I feel it doesnt suit the Harmes case. He makes mistakes that young players make but he does one or 2 things a week that make me think "wow that was good". Maybe once in a month he does something that makes me think "That was really good". At his young and inexperianced age him doing these things show he can be a player and a classy one. His smooth and skilled given another full year or two of development I hope he can begin to do these nice things week in week out. 

Hogan must come back in if fit. I love the look of Weideman as a prospect but it wouldn’t be surprising to see him sent back to the VFL (or rested) for this week and then return against Carlton. Pedersen played a very good second half and Weideman faded out of the game after a great start. Pedersen also offers us much greater flexibility than the other alternatives.

I called for Harmes to be tried down back when he was playing forward, but I now think it is a failed experiment because his ball use isn’t up to scratch. As such, I would look at dropping Harmes for Wagner.

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34 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

I wouldn't expect you to be able to understand the difference.

But go ahead, post again and make sure you have the last word as you always need to do, because I won't be responding.

I'm with Stuie on this one. Harmes certainly does not have class at this stage. He did one thing that looked classy but its certainly not a defining characteristic.

By your logic, Tom McDonald has class. I've seen him hit blokes on the chest more times than I've seen Harmes do it.

4 hours ago, stuie said:

Harmes has heart and determination in spades, but he definitely doesn't have "class" (yet). I liken him a bit to Chunk when he first came in, messy and a mile a minute, but Harmes strikes me as the sort of bloke that will work just as hard on his disposal and it will greatly improve. But from being at the game and watching the replay twice, he certainly does not have class.

ANB isn't a slow inside mid either. Roos' mantra of versatility has seen him learning an inside mid role this year, but I believe he will eventually settle in a role as a high HF who can also play as a crumber. We've got a couple of handy players in Kent and Petracca currently in that HF role, but with Garlett and vB's form a bit up and down the queue is nowhere near the same length as it is for the inside mid role. I'm personally not sold on Kennedy yet and think given ANB's stellar and consistent VFL form this year he deserves more than 1 game to show if he can make the leap.

 

Stuie, you may have seen more Casey games than I have (which is very few!), but I haven't seen ANB played as a crumber. Has he played that role at Casey?

Speaking of changes to the forward structure...does anyone know why Weideman was wearing a bandage on his thigh?

He didn't go into the game with it.

May effect selection this week.

21 hours ago, stuie said:

Tough to change the team after such a huge win, but Roos has talked about how they've approached the last few weeks strategically (Bugg was rested last week specifically for the Hawks game), so I do think there might be 1 or 2 changes.

I'd go:

IN: ANB, Hogan (if fit)
OUT: Harmes, Pedersen

Pedersen was obviously good, but realistically his role is as depth so if Hogan is right to go then he comes back in.

Love Harmes' effort and intensity, but his decision making and disposal can be horrible at times. Plus, geez what more does ANB have to do to get a game?! (36 touches and a goal yesterday).

The other option possibly could be dropping Harmes and Garlett, bringing in Hogan and ANB (as a forward - see Geelong game 2015) and playing Pedersen in the backline where we might need the extra size against Port.

 

Harmes out??? He was very good on Saturday and his hardness is brilliant to watch.  ANB is a very good VFL player but not there yet at AFL level.  In saying that I think ANB will be a good player for us but needs at least another pre-season under his belt. 

12 minutes ago, rjay said:

Speaking of changes to the forward structure...does anyone know why Weideman was wearing a bandage on his thigh?

He didn't go into the game with it.

May effect selection this week.

I saw him having work on what I thought was a hip at one stage but then looking closely on the replay it looked to me like he had a scratch going up towards the bandage that looked like he was studded. If so I doubt it will be an issue.

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

The Weed came in for Hoges and should make way IMO.  I was very impressed with Pedo - marking, bringing the ball to ground and general competiveness. We have a better chance of winning with Pedo and Hogan playing

The only other change to consider would be Kennedy for Garlett

Weideman came in for Dawes and nearly did the week beforehand against Gold Coast

1 hour ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

That point alone is technically correct, yes, but I feel it doesnt suit the Harmes case. He makes mistakes that young players make but he does one or 2 things a week that make me think "wow that was good". Maybe once in a month he does something that makes me think "That was really good". At his young and inexperianced age him doing these things show he can be a player and a classy one. His smooth and skilled given another full year or two of development I hope he can begin to do these nice things week in week out. 

I agree on that mate, that's why I likened him to Nathan Jones when he first came in. Bit raw and bull at the gate, but he shows those glimpses and appears to be a hard worker, so no doubt one day he will be a classy player, but at this stage he's a gutsy player with potential to be consistently classy.

 

1 hour ago, leehow said:

Stuie, you may have seen more Casey games than I have (which is very few!), but I haven't seen ANB played as a crumber. Has he played that role at Casey?

Not really, they've been working on his versatility (which is Roos' mantra) so he's been playing as an inside mid to get that part of his game happening. I'm mainly going off his hardness and creativity, combined with his goal haul in the Geelong game last year as a small forward.

 

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

Harmes out??? He was very good on Saturday and his hardness is brilliant to watch.  ANB is a very good VFL player but not there yet at AFL level.  In saying that I think ANB will be a good player for us but needs at least another pre-season under his belt. 

Yeah, that's what I would do, I don't expect it to be what happens though. I really like Harmesy, but just after being there and watching the replay a couple of times I realized he was pretty wasteful with the ball, it's a bit all or nothing, so I'd leave him out to make way for ANB to have 2 games as a decent crack.