Eddie and Caro

[Sir Why You Little 37,035]

13 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Maybe that's where your women issues come from.

No woman. 

Not plural. Don't tell me how i feel

[Satyriconhome 10,877]

2 minutes ago, olisik said:

Then report on direct incidents of that.

Not when a journalist cries poor over being given a nickname. 

From your answers, and particularly the comment about the Marvel super hero, I can only assume that you are at an age where you have experienced very little of life, and life and its travails have had very little impact on you up to now, your lack of understanding of a simple premise concerns me

[olisik 4,060]

1 minute ago, stuie said:

You're not getting that it all sits within the same culture and context.

 

I get that some people are jumping to conclusions somewhere on his intended meaning at that time in that place and that it may link to one thing which potentially could link to another however I feel that it is to grey to go hand in hand with the accusations and media coverage portrayed on this.

Is it an important issue? I think so

Is the scrutiny Eddie is getting fair? I don't think so.

Mens health is also a big issue and the way people are getting stuck into Eddie I feel is its own form of bullying. Just read through this thread at what some posters have been calling him and tell me that it is no worse then what he said. 

[nrc73 77]

19 hours ago, binman said:

And don't bother with the brown shirt brigade bemoaning men's right being taken away, conflating (excusing) use of violence with issues such as having no role in the family, loss of identity or not having access to their kids as that knucklehead Latham did. 

Spoken like a person who has never seen the inside of a Mediation Centre, Family Court, or been through the Separation process. And spoken like a person who has no idea about the grossly disproportionate suicide rates that men "enjoy" over women during such process. That is your ignorance. Go sit in a Family Court for a few days and educate yourself. 

[Satyriconhome 10,877]

1 minute ago, olisik said:

I get that some people are jumping to conclusions somewhere on his intended meaning at that time in that place and that it may link to one thing which potentially could link to another however I feel that it is to grey to go hand in hand with the accusations and media coverage portrayed on this.

Is it an important issue? I think so

Is the scrutiny Eddie is getting fair? I don't think so.

Mens health is also a big issue and the way people are getting stuck into Eddie I feel is its own form of bullying. Just read through this thread at what some posters have been calling him and tell me that it is no worse then what he said. 

The difference is yes this is a public forum, but its readership, apart from a couple of journalists looking for a story to start, are supporters/followers of MFC, so I doubt that Eddie will read them

Eddie broadcast his banter on a radio station, that despite the tripe it broadcasts, has a large listening audience

[stuie 7,374]

2 minutes ago, nrc73 said:

Spoken like a person who has never seen the inside of a Mediation Centre, Family Court, or been through the Separation process. And spoken like a person who has no idea about the grossly disproportionate suicide rates that men "enjoy" over women during such process. That is your ignorance. Go sit in a Family Court for a few days and educate yourself. 

I've been through the harshest, most unfair side of that process "nrc" but I still think this issue is an important one.

It's not either/or.

 

[AzzKikA 2,371]

22 minutes ago, Dante said:

There seems to be a new article every time I go online on the Age site and rather than cooling down, like one poster mentioned above, this seems to be growing to epic proportions.  

Sorry but yesterday it was every where, every man his dog (is that ok to say now?) was talking about this, now it's pretty much just the age, a few pieces in the herald but no mention of it on 3AW or JJJ news reports every 1/2 hour.  You watch, tomorrow neither paper will be talking about the real issue, just whether Holden dumps Collingwood or not.

[stuie 7,374]

8 minutes ago, olisik said:

I get that some people are jumping to conclusions somewhere on his intended meaning at that time in that place and that it may link to one thing which potentially could link to another however I feel that it is to grey to go hand in hand with the accusations and media coverage portrayed on this.

Is it an important issue? I think so

Is the scrutiny Eddie is getting fair? I don't think so.

Mens health is also a big issue and the way people are getting stuck into Eddie I feel is its own form of bullying. Just read through this thread at what some posters have been calling him and tell me that it is no worse then what he said. 

I don't think anyone has or would say that because Eddie made that comment then he would commit domestic violence, but what people are recognizing is that attitudes and culture need to change to help that bigger problem. Some comments have been over the top, but many more have totally missed the point and tried to blow it off altogether.

Personally I think if Eddie had made a "real" apology the first time then a lesson would have been learned and people would have moved on, but he made it worse by pulling a typical "I'm sorry you were offended" statement which typifies a lot of the attitudes towards the issue as a whole.

 

[Atholwebb 110]

An important point I think to consider is that Eddie McGuire and James Brayshaw are Chairmen of their footy clubs and the footballers in all clubs attend programs which counsel them on a number of issues which include violence towards women. What sort of an example are McGuire and Brayshaw setting for the players to follow when they guffaw and joke about drowning a woman. Despite what a number of others on this web site think, it is not a joke and it is so called 'friendly banter' gone very wrong. The fact that McGuire and Brayshaw say that they still have things to learn when it goes to what you can say and what you can't say in public is quite amazing for men in their respective positions. 

[nrc73 77]

4 minutes ago, stuie said:

I've been through the harshest, most unfair side of that process "nrc" but I still think this issue is an important one.

It's not either/or.

Agree wholeheartedly on both points Stuie. As I indicated earlier, the sooner Eddie and the MMM idiots are gone the better.

[stuie 7,374]

2 minutes ago, Atholwebb said:

An important point I think to consider is that Eddie McGuire and James Brayshaw are Chairmen of their footy clubs and the footballers in all clubs attend programs which counsel them on a number of issues which include violence towards women. What sort of an example are McGuire and Brayshaw setting for the players to follow when they guffaw and joke about drowning a woman. Despite what a number of others on this web site think, it is not a joke and it is so called 'friendly banter' gone very wrong. The fact that McGuire and Brayshaw say that they still have things to learn when it goes to what you can say and what you can't say in public is quite amazing for men in their respective positions. 

Not to mention Eddie now being the president of 3 female sporting clubs.

 

[daisycutter 29,614]

28 minutes ago, olisik said:

My generation sees black widow as an awesome Marvel superhero...so why are people coming to the conclusion that he meant the old meaning and not the new one? 

Sam Newman calls Billy Brownless 'Fat' on TV every Thursday night. Why isn't that front page news?

eddie mcchins is not of your generation olisik and believe me he was using the "old" derogatory meaning of black widow

i hadn't been aware of him saying this so it does add a sexist element to his behaviour though i believe his prime motivation was more personal and an underhand payback to caro's recent journalistic criticisms of him

[olisik 4,060]

 

6 minutes ago, stuie said:

I don't think anyone has or would say that because Eddie made that comment then he would commit domestic violence, but what people are recognizing is that attitudes and culture need to change to help that bigger problem. Some comments have been over the top, but many more have totally missed the point and tried to blow it off altogether.

Personally I think if Eddie had made a "real" apology the first time then a lesson would have been learned and people would have moved on, but he made it worse by pulling a typical "I'm sorry you were offended" statement which typifies a lot of the attitudes towards the issue as a whole.

 

Just to be clear It was Tony Shaw who said he would her head under water, not Eddie.

 

 

[stuie 7,374]

2 minutes ago, olisik said:

Just to be clear It was Tony Shaw who said he would her head under water, not Eddie.

Mate, I don't think you're totally up on the whole story. Go and have a listen to the full thing of both, very very different contexts.

 

 

[daisycutter 29,614]

1 minute ago, olisik said:

Just to be clear It was Tony Shaw who said he would her head under water, not Eddie.

 

oh dear oh dear...... 

[Gator 17,343]

45 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

You've taken a secular, universal issue and turned it into a rant about the political Left and Islam.

Such a shame, because I was in real admiration up to the end of the second paragraph.

Then you went completely rogue.

Weird, because I think you'll find that people who don't care about the abuses of women in Islam are from both sides of politics - it's not a Left/Right issue. 

Look, I don't crave yours or any other admiration.  I post and people can choose what they like or otherwise, it matters not to me.  If I was concerned I wouldn't write what I know will have the hand-wringers seething.

The Left love to be our moral guidance on most social aspects, but when it comes to Islam they are completely silent. Utterly silent.  And it's deafening, because they screech from the rooftops on everything else.  Where are the feminists when it comes to Islam and its gay/women's rights ?  Why you can't see this fascinates me.  I'll put it down to left-wing sentiments.

Rest assured though, I have little time for the present right in politics.  They're a do nothing gutless mob only interested in their own interests.

[Satyriconhome 10,877]

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

oh dear oh dear...... 

Seconded

 

1 minute ago, ProDee said:

Look, I don't crave yours or any other admiration.  I post and people can choose what they like or otherwise, it matters not to me.  If I was concerned I wouldn't write what I know will have the hand-wringers seething.

The Left love to be our moral guidance on most social aspects, but when it comes to Islam they are completely silent. Utterly silent.  And it's deafening, because they screech from the rooftops on everything else.  Where are the feminists when it comes to Islam and its gay/women's rights ?  Why you can't see this fascinates me.  I'll put it down to left-wing sentiments.

Rest assured though, I have little time for the present right in politics.  They're a do nothing gutless mob only interested in their own interests.

Are you against the Mosque in Bendigo?

[H_T 3,047]

7 minutes ago, olisik said:

 

Just to be clear It was Tony Shaw who said he would her head under water, not Eddie.

 

 

Read ALL the transcripts.

Danny Frawley

Tony Shaw

[olisik 4,060]

1 minute ago, H_T said:

Read ALL the transcripts.

Danny Frawley

Tony Shaw

I have, hence why I don't see why all the heat is directed one way.

[Sir Why You Little 37,035]

6 minutes ago, olisik said:

I have, hence why I don't see why all the heat is directed one way.

Because that is the direction Caro wants it to go. 

When those articles about Dane Swan were written a lot of vitriol went on between those two

way before this last spat

this has been brewing a long time...

[stuie 7,374]

9 minutes ago, olisik said:

I have, hence why I don't see why all the heat is directed one way.

Because the contexts are different as are the tones.

Listen to them, don't just read them.

 

[olisik 4,060]

3 minutes ago, stuie said:

Because the contexts are different as are the tones.

Listen to them, don't just read them.

 

As grey as it gets. Community needs to focus on helping victims of domestic violence and not journo comments to each other.

What was said I do not condone however publicly bullying Eddie about it I also don't condone. Mens health is as important as domestic violence. 

Edited June 21, 2016 by olisik

[Chris 2,892]

1 hour ago, olisik said:

Also an awesome super hero, just like the Hulk....

so calling her black widow is sexist but her calling Hogan the Hulk isn't? Double standards much?

Its a nickname, many people have them. Hell even Watts even referred to Petracca as the Beast. Imagine he referred to Caroline as that. 

Were they referring to the super hero? Was it a term of endearment? No on both counts for Caro and yes on both counts for Hulk and the Beast.

Very different things. 

[stuie 7,374]

18 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Look, I don't crave yours or any other admiration.  I post and people can choose what they like or otherwise, it matters not to me.  If I was concerned I wouldn't write what I know will have the hand-wringers seething.

The Left love to be our moral guidance on most social aspects, but when it comes to Islam they are completely silent. Utterly silent.  And it's deafening, because they screech from the rooftops on everything else.  Where are the feminists when it comes to Islam and its gay/women's rights ?  Why you can't see this fascinates me.  I'll put it down to left-wing sentiments.

Rest assured though, I have little time for the present right in politics.  They're a do nothing gutless mob only interested in their own interests.

That is completely untrue.

The difference is the left are seeking to separate true Muslims, who are peaceful, and those who twist the Koran to suit their own socio-political agendas, whereas the right are painting all of them with the same brush and just want to bomb them or ban them.

Subtlety and understanding has never been your strong point though, or that of the right with which you identify.

 

[jnrmac 20,061]

57 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

No woman. 

Not plural. Don't tell me how i feel

There's a lot of that going on in this PC day and age....