The Jesse Hogan Panic Room - all contract talk here

[Dockett 32 1,239]

Fascinating all of this . Is it really about 'the go home " factor I wonder? Lets say Melbourne have decent carrot on the table say $1.3 mill+ on the table for 5 years p.a . 

Freo are going to have to cough up plenty for the kid from GWS , have Fyffe on plenty  and whilst I realise Pavlich is done , $1.3 +p.a  is putting an  awful lot of eggs in one basket on the edge  of pretty much a total rebuild which clearly faces Jesse  Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for either Freo or Hogan.  Weagles have Kennedy and Darling and cant see how that would work either.

Hawks no go, ( no cap) ditto Swans and Geelong, Adelaide ok for key forwards. Bulldogs after Cloke, ( doubt if they would have cap room). GWS ok for forwards. Saints ok for forwards which essentially  leaves Port, Collingwood or ourselves for a finals run, maybe  Carlton but that's a longshot.

If it was me with our young list its a no brainer,  for some reason though I sense Collingwood although they have Moore and nothing much to offer with Port the dark hose.

Hope he sticks would just seem the most sensible and best option for him.

 

 

 

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[John Crow Batty 8,860]

24 minutes ago, Dockett 32 said:

Fascinating all of this . Is it really about 'the go home " factor I wonder? Lets say Melbourne have decent carrot on the table say $1.3 mill+ on the table for 5 years p.a . 

Freo are going to have to cough up plenty for the kid from GWS , have Fyffe on plenty  and whilst I realise Pavlich is done , $1.3 +p.a  is putting an  awful lot of eggs in one basket on the edge  of pretty much a total rebuild which clearly faces Jesse  Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for either Freo or Hogan.  Weagles have Kennedy and Darling and cant see how that would work either.

Hawks no go, ( no cap) ditto Swans and Geelong, Adelaide ok for key forwards. Bulldogs after Cloke, ( doubt if they would have cap room). GWS ok for forwards. Saints ok for forwards which essentially  leaves Port, Collingwood or ourselves for a finals run, maybe  Carlton but that's a longshot.

If it was me with our young list its a no brainer,  for some reason though I sense Collingwood although they have Moore and nothing much to offer with Port the dark hose.

Hope he sticks would just seem the most sensible and best option for him.

 

 

 

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Good summation. If he was to leave I had it too in that order, Freo, Collingwood and Port as suitors.  Would not be surprised if the Pies are looking for an instant replacement for Cloke. 

[Moneider96 1,045]

1 hour ago, hardtack said:

Well, applying the infallible body language test that has been used by Demonland experts, that must mean that Stringer is off to another club as well?

Yep. According to Bigfooty, he's off to the bombers  

[beelzebub 23,312]

Dogs need to wag tails 

Melbourne needs to run this ... Not other way round. 

Hope all find suitable result

[Ethan Tremblay 30,810]

4 months, 7 days and 3 hours until he re-signs. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Abe said:

So round 1 next year the speculation starts? or is it only two years out for Hogan?

Can't speak for others but I'd prefer to see this resolved in the trade period because history is completely against us if he isn't signed up by R1 2017. Freo also have excellent currency this year with the prospect of pick 3 and their 1st next year (Which would be top 10 again IMO). The club will no doubt be enquiring in the next few weeks but they need at the least an unofficial 'yes' to him staying before he signs a contract, otherwise he goes at the end of 2017 and that is 12 months wasted where we could have developed someone else and planned for life without him.

[beelzebub 23,312]

prefer to see it settled BEFORE trade period....or trade him.

[blue and red in the head 95]

1 hour ago, schmuttt said:

Can't speak for others but I'd prefer to see this resolved in the trade period because history is completely against us if he isn't signed up by R1 2017. Freo also have excellent currency this year with the prospect of pick 3 and their 1st next year (Which would be top 10 again IMO). The club will no doubt be enquiring in the next few weeks but they need at the least an unofficial 'yes' to him staying before he signs a contract, otherwise he goes at the end of 2017 and that is 12 months wasted where we could have developed someone else and planned for life without him.

Didn't freo trade there first pick last year for Bennell? They couldn't trade this years and next years first picks for hogan due to the fact you have to use a first round pick in a 3 year cycle. So Fyfe and pick 3 for hogan.  Or pick 3 Sheridan and tucker 

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, blue and red in the head said:

Didn't freo trade there first pick last year for Bennell? They couldn't trade this years and next years first picks for hogan due to the fact you have to use a first round pick in a 3 year cycle. So Fyfe and pick 3 for hogan.  Or pick 3 Sheridan and tucker 

Correct. Fyfe and 3 for Hogan is ridiculous, Freo aren't stupid. Fyfe in a straight swap would be fair, we'd probably have to throw a pick in with Hogan as well.

[Willmoy1947 4,074]

Why doesn't someone say, Quote:" we are all adults here, how much do you want, and what can we help you with. And while i'm on the subject, and as we are adults, you have a responsibility to be fair and honest with your fellow players, the Club and the supporters as well as to yourself and your family, so make up your ###ken mind"

[Moonshadow 17,673]

6 hours ago, Ouch! said:

Thats probably partly to do with Roos and his view that he would prefer to move a person on with a year to go in a contract as the player has more currency (to the club they are leaving) than when they are out of contract.

 

5 hours ago, hardtack said:

But I'm not talking about panic stations as far as the MFC is concerned... Roos knows as well as anyone that Hogan's currency will not be diminished in the least by his recent form slump.

You guys remember that Roos has cleared his desk out and won't be our coach next year? Yeah?

[PaulRB 6,328]

Another angle on Hogan is that he's a 20 year old young man, dealing with the challenges of relationships, living away from home, women, playing a relentless high performance sport, and did i mention it relationships. I know when I was his age and breaking up with my girlfriend my body language was pretty average too, and I would seek refuge at my family home , grandparents farm etc... all of which are unavailable to Jesse.

He may stay, he may go, but irrespective he's deserving of our compassion and patience given the challenges he faces.

Edited September 1, 2016 by PaulRB

[pitchfork 181]

Will panic once the CBA is finalised...till then, should all cool our heels

[John Crow Batty 8,860]

10 hours ago, PaulRB said:

Another angle on Hogan is that he's a 20 year old young man, dealing with the challenges of relationships, living away from home, women, playing a relentless high performance sport, and did i mention it relationships. I know when I was his age and breaking up with my girlfriend my body language was pretty average too, and I would seek refuge at my family home , grandparents farm etc... all of which are unavailable to Jesse.

He may stay, he may go, but irrespective he's deserving of our compassion and patience given the challenges he faces.

Seriously, what you said applies to most footballers. How they handle it helps sort out the real champions from the  wannabee's and shouldabeen's. He is far too gifted and talented for patience and compassion. And his average body language has been around since last season. 

Edited September 1, 2016 by america de cali

[mo64 5,851]

10 hours ago, PaulRB said:

Another angle on Hogan is that he's a 20 year old young man, dealing with the challenges of relationships, living away from home, women, playing a relentless high performance sport, and did i mention it relationships. I know when I was his age and breaking up with my girlfriend my body language was pretty average too, and I would seek refuge at my family home , grandparents farm etc... all of which are unavailable to Jesse.

He may stay, he may go, but irrespective he's deserving of our compassion and patience given the challenges he faces.

I've heard it all now. So I'm expecting to see in the team selections on Thursday night Out: Hogan (Broken Heart).

Football clubs have all the support mechanisms to assist a player in this situation. Most footballers would seek solace by playing football or being around their football mates.

[hardtack 10,506]

11 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

 

You guys remember that Roos has cleared his desk out and won't be our coach next year? Yeah?

I'm not sure that to have validity my comment is dependent upon Roos being at the club next year (particularly given the context; that is, the comment to which I was responding).

[george_on_the_outer 7,554]

11 hours ago, pitchfork said:

Will panic once the CBA is finalised...till then, should all cool our heels

Exactly......the current one doesn't run out until 31 Oct (IIRC). 

Hogan and the club don't know how much can be offered until the numbers are in.

And the kid has probably gone on holidays now, so don't expect anything until he gets back.

[Mickey 4,640]

FWIW (probably not very much), Brad Hardie is still claiming Jesse is going back to Perth at the end of next year.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/fremantle-dockers/afl-silly-season-where-failure-gets-you-a-new-job-and-a-raise--except-suma-20160831-gr5hse.html

"Jesse Hogan, I'm led to believe, is still telling people he's planning on returning to Perth at the end of next year."

[PaulRB 6,328]

4 hours ago, mo64 said:

I've heard it all now. So I'm expecting to see in the team selections on Thursday night Out: Hogan (Broken Heart).

Football clubs have all the support mechanisms to assist a player in this situation. Most footballers would seek solace by playing football or being around their football mates.

I've always got the impression Jesse is both an emotional player (when he's on he's on, when he's off he's off) and not the most mature and experienced of young men, who may find he's not fully in control of his emotional state and it effect on his on field performance. I guess the point being there are other "emotional" reason for his mood other than the widely speculated (on here) view that it's because he wants to leave the MFC..

And I'd love to see "Out: Hogan (Broken Heart)" would be hilarious, and perhaps more honest if it were true.

[Ted Lasso 19,201]

On 9/2/2016 at 1:25 PM, Mickey said:

FWIW (probably not very much), Brad Hardie is still claiming Jesse is going back to Perth at the end of next year.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/fremantle-dockers/afl-silly-season-where-failure-gets-you-a-new-job-and-a-raise--except-suma-20160831-gr5hse.html

"Jesse Hogan, I'm led to believe, is still telling people he's planning on returning to Perth at the end of next year."

Old mate barry the drunken dockers fan yelled at me that Jesse Hogan is returning to Perth next year and my tea leaves confirmed this. lock it in.

[John Crow Batty 8,860]

3 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Exactly......the current one doesn't run out until 31 Oct (IIRC). 

Hogan and the club don't know how much can be offered until the numbers are in.

And the kid has probably gone on holidays now, so don't expect anything until he gets back.

Yes Watts, T and O Mac were idiots in their haste.

[Little Goffy 14,407]

20 hours ago, CP5 said:

14 marks (5 contested) in round 22 seems to account to nothing.  Prior to this weekend Riewoldt's record was 18 marks.

But at least Schwarz is saying Hogan should take a leaf out of Hawkin's book.  It only took Hawkins 6 seasons to have a breakout year and 69 games to reach Hogan's tally of 85.

 

 

Definitely, Hogan is still working hard, even if sometimes he looks a bit sad.

 

Your point about the stupid comparison to Hawkins is quite true. But we should be fair on young MAN-CHILD TOMAHAWK, you have to consider the circumstances. Hawkins spent his early career in a team that really struggled to get the ball forward effectively. And being a team's lone key target up forward was a huge burden on the underdeveloped kid, especially when their game plan relied so much on having a key target.

Those 13 goals in 2008 (out of a home-away season total of 390 at Geelong) may seem like a bit-part player who is just holding a role barely adequately while the rest of a superstar team carries him, but I'm sure they were really, really important goals.

This is all making me think a little bit more seriously - I wonder what Cameron Mooney is up to these days? As far as learning a role, learning to be team-oriented, developing discipline and maturity over time, and even the difference between 'good' and 'premiership' sides, Mooney could be a real asset given his experience both sides of the transformation of Geelong, he could be a very interesting mentor. 

Certainly Hogan's role in the team at present resembles (late career peak) Mooney's more than Hawkins'.

 

[John Crow Batty 8,860]

38 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Definitely, Hogan is still working hard, even if sometimes he looks a bit sad.

 

Your point about the stupid comparison to Hawkins is quite true. But we should be fair on young MAN-CHILD TOMAHAWK, you have to consider the circumstances. Hawkins spent his early career in a team that really struggled to get the ball forward effectively. And being a team's lone key target up forward was a huge burden on the underdeveloped kid, especially when their game plan relied so much on having a key target.

Those 13 goals in 2008 (out of a home-away season total of 390 at Geelong) may seem like a bit-part player who is just holding a role barely adequately while the rest of a superstar team carries him, but I'm sure they were really, really important goals.

This is all making me think a little bit more seriously - I wonder what Cameron Mooney is up to these days? As far as learning a role, learning to be team-oriented, developing discipline and maturity over time, and even the difference between 'good' and 'premiership' sides, Mooney could be a real asset given his experience both sides of the transformation of Geelong, he could be a very interesting mentor. 

Certainly Hogan's role in the team at present resembles (late career peak) Mooney's more than Hawkins'.

 

You need to correct your memory. Hawkins debut was in round 2,  2007 the year they started their AFL domination and won the flag. In round 3 and his second game that year he kicked 4 goals against us in a brutal hiding. That game confirmed the beginning of our painfully long decline and the beginning of Geelong's  rise.

Edited September 2, 2016 by america de cali

[Adam The God 30,068]

10 hours ago, america de cali said:

Yes Watts, T and O Mac were idiots in their haste.

Oh shut up, ADC, seriously. Why do you bother? Just wrist slashing the whole time.

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

On August 31, 2016 at 3:51 PM, A F said:

I love how any word of an MFC player leaving is shut down as nonsense and the source is more often than not, ridiculed, yet any word of another club's player coming to melbourne is treated with anticipation. Its gold watching it play out time after time. Fair dinkum , most of you lot on here are pathetic cultists. The dozen or so that keep an even keel are a great read but the rest is a pyschs dream