You're right WJ

With deadpan faces...'next !'

40 minutes ago, Mister Ed said:

You need to understand how insurance companies operate.

The appeal process is going to waste a lot of time and probably a lot longer than many would expect. It has been estimated that it could take 4 to 6 months for leave to appeal, a hearing on the appeal issues and an outcome. If successful, the matter will probably get referred back to CAS and that could take 6 - 9 months. In the meantime, the insurers don't have to pay anything out and are saving a suitcase full of interest on the millions that are potentially required to be paid out to players and others who might make claims against the EFC. It's a game of attrition and in many cases, long delays could mean that desperate claimants can get crunched into accepting lesser amounts just to finish it all off. An investment of $500k payable in dribs and drabs over the next 12 months might well save more $'s the insurers in the long run.

As I said in another thread 'Ed', the players really need to understand that the EFC and their insurers are not allies.

It's time the players looked after their own interests and not those of the EFC, AFL, Insurers, Peter Gordon's of the world and unfortunately for them the AFLPA. They are not aligned...

Essendon will be desperate to mitigate their exposure to suits from the players hence funding this farce. It's not even grasping at straws as there are none. Pure inept desperation.

There's a lot of none  too bright people involved here. Essendon with any luck might just disappear up their collective clackers.

1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Bub ... I'm not sure if the Swiss have that good a sense of humour. I reckon they will give the players short shrift in a very stern manner and award more costs against them - it could be more bad news if our currency doesn't fare well against the Euro in the interim.

They don't have the Euro. They have the Swiss Franc which  will make the exchange rate even more painful and Switzerland is a very expensive place to do business in.

1 hour ago, america de cali said:

They don't have the Euro. They have the Swiss Franc which  will make the exchange rate even more painful and Switzerland is a very expensive place to do business in.

You're right. I lived there for a few years. It's expensive.

4 minutes ago, MO FINE said:

You're right. I lived there for a few years. It's expensive.

Let's cut to the chase. If you're calling yourself Mo Fine, how come you're using a picture of Curly Howard? Please explain.

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Let's cut to the chase. If you're calling yourself Mo Fine, how come you're using a picture of Curly Howard? Please explain.

Curly's my hero.

Is there a possibility they could face longer bans if their appeal fails? ie. they could face the new maximum penalty of 4 years instead of 2 (as this was the maximum allowed under the code back in 2012).

They won't get as far as having appeal heard. They may apply but as I can't see for life of me in what way it would qualify the appeal will undoubtedly be denied.

FlindersSt.all change. This train not going.

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

They won't get as far as having appeal heard. They may apply but as I can't see for life of me in what way it would qualify the appeal will undoubtedly be denied.

Flinders Street, all change. This train not going.

Perhaps they'll appeal the knock back of the appeal.

assuming they lodge the appeal how long does it take to accept/reject appeal?

2 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Bub ... I'm not sure if the Swiss have that good a sense of humour. I reckon they will give the players short shrift in a very stern manner and award more costs against them - it could be more bad news if our currency doesn't fare well against the Euro in the interim.

Or even more so the Swiss franc.

....the Swiss weren't silly enough to take up the folly of the Euro. I'm sure they will adopt the same attitude to the Essendon folly.....

 

4 hours ago, america de cali said:

They don't have the Euro. They have the Swiss Franc which  will make the exchange rate even more painful and Switzerland is a very expensive place to do business in.

Oops ... my bad. I was wondering why the Swiss were on first name terms with their money. ?

Why wasn't this segment called "Swiss Family Robinson" WJ, it does really fit.

Just now, willmoy said:

Why wasn't this segment called "Swiss Family Robinson" WJ, it does really fit.

Copy write I suppose.

7 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Copy write I suppose.

Sorted out the copyright issues - it's now a subtitle

9 hours ago, Red and Bluebeard said:

2. The appeal may  be heard in French. Now it becomes clear why Hird spent so much time in France ...

The course Hird did at Insead in Fontainebleau is in English. And there are so many English-speakers living/working/studying in and around Fontainebleau (one of the local high schools is even bilingual), about the only thing that's missing is the morning copy of the Herald-Sun in the local Tabac.

9 hours ago, Ted Fidge said:

This latest chapter in the rollicking adventure brings to mind the gulf between "sport" and "business".

Over the decades we have seen multiple occasions where hard nosed business minds have come in to a football club and said, we're going to run this like a business. Straighten the joint out. A proper business, no more amateur hour. Examples: Ranald McDonald and his New Magpies. Rod Butterss at St Kilda. Most of the traditional clubs has endured this at some stage.

On every occasion, they come up short. They run into the realisation that it's not just a business. It's way more than that. They're not simply dealing with cashflows and inventories and sales forecasts and logistics. There's emotion involved. There's the investment of nervous energy, delight, dismay, tears, desposited by supporters over many years.

In practical terms, that translates into grown men and women behaving irrationally. (Just read the postings on any fan forum.) As if they've still got posters of Hudson, McKenna, Barker, etc, on their bedroom walls. How else to explain the unwavering support for James Hird when all the rest of the football world could see that he was damaging his club by hanging around.

We see it in the curious decision making of the Essendon coterie, sponsors, insurers.

We see it in Gordon's exploration of this appeal.

Chip. Holmes. Various "sports lawyers" and other "experts". The list goes on.

It also appears in the hand waving and incoherence of Robbo. (Although that could also have a simpler explanation.)

There is a much simpler explonation. 

2 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

....the Swiss weren't silly enough to take up the folly of the Euro. I'm sure they will adopt the same attitude to the Essendon folly.....

I don't think you'd find too many people in Europe who want multiple currencies back. The only folly of the Euro was not being more rigorous (or even ruthless!) when it was first set up.

In any case, the Swiss aren't too fussy when it comes to money, though rather more fussy when it comes to applying the letter of the law.

I just dont know what the players are thinking. Has no-one ever sat down with them and said "Look, it's like this ...."?

18 minutes ago, bing181 said:

I don't think you'd find too many people in Europe who want multiple currencies back. The only folly of the Euro was not being more rigorous (or even ruthless!) when it was first set up.

In any case, the Swiss aren't too fussy when it comes to money, though rather more fussy when it comes to applying the letter of the law.

I just dont know what the players are thinking. Has no-one ever sat down with them and said "Look, it's like this ...."?

Sure they have, the problem is that the sentence finished with words along the line of 'this is clearly a giant conspiracy involved the federal government, the AFL, ASADA, WADA, international courts, the swiss, the Canadians, Kim Jon Un, the UN, and all intergalctic organisations. They clearly all have it in for you and the EFC because they dont like the fact we have won 16 flags and are on the verge of another. They will do anything to stop it happening and you are all inocent victims and must keep fighting'

This is the 4 th thread on the bombers should be merged practice what you preach go DEMONS

Mark Robinson has really handled this Essendon affair horribly. I generally find him reasonably harmless and can handle him in small doses, but he really is out of his depth in what is one of the biggest jobs in footy journalism.

Mark Robinson as the lead football writer at the hun, and Dwayne Russell having any job whatsoever in the footy media are two of the great mysteries.

 

1 hour ago, willmoy said:

Why wasn't this segment called "Swiss Family Robinson" WJ, it does really fit.

Oh...that's good

25 minutes ago, Middymalt said:

This is the 4 th thread on the bombers should be merged practice what you preach go DEMONS

You don't think it makes sense when the saga moves into a new stage to start a new chapter? I do. I don't like books without chapters - they get hard to read.  I look forward to the final thread which will include an index, glossary and footnotes.

2 minutes ago, sue said:

You don't think it makes sense when the saga moves into a new stage to start a new chapter? I do. I don't like books without chapters - they get hard to read.  I look forward to the final thread which will include an index, glossary and footnotes.

You follow the leader sue nothing more nothing less.