serves gordon right for taking on crameri when he knew what was hanging over him

should consider himself lucky he got 2 years out of him already

Gordon is just another who has a conflict of interest in this saga!  The few who don't seem to have a conflict are the players!

BTW, Bulldogs and Saints are going to join Port to ask AFL for the option of a top-up player. 

I can see their point - they have lost KPP and a rookie isn't going to help in the ruck or FF.

 

10 minutes ago, biggestred said:

IMHO this is all just a propaganda blitz in order to turn public opinion and government opinion against big bad WADA so they can convince the afl to move away from the wada code.

And it's disgusting. 

In which case it also indicates where they sit on drug free sport and the well being of the wider playing group.

6 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Gordon is just another who has a conflict of interest in this saga!  The few who don't seem to have a conflict are the players!

BTW, Bulldogs and Saints are going to join Port to ask AFL for the option of a top-up player. 

I can see their point - they have lost KPP and a rookie isn't going to help in the ruck or FF.

 

In that case, we should be entitled to one also. (And we should jump in quick before the others pick the eyes out of those available!)

5 minutes ago, CBDees said:

In that case, we should be entitled to one also. (And we should jump in quick before the others pick the eyes out of those available!)

There are no eyes available 'CB' but if we need a player in reserve for just in cases then Cross should be our man. He's still fit, he can keep doing his current role but be in reserve if we have the worst run of injury in living memory...

2 hours ago, FireInTheBelly said:

Wow, so now the President of the Bulldogs suggests he knows the facts about the drug program where nobody is able to say exactly what was injected (except that it was legal and cures cancer - of course).

Get over it Gordon, they are guilty. If you feel aggrieved I suggest you go and have a chat with your Essendon counterpart and discuss some form of compensation.

Crameri-a-river

 

 

I wont lose to much sleep about it after all don't they have a $1 million FF in the wings?

I don't think we will ask for a top-up but it would a chance to give Jake Lovett a run with the squad for a year.

49 minutes ago, old dee said:

I wont lose to much sleep about it after all don't they have a $1 million FF in the wings?

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/essendon-banned-players-consider-appeal-to-swiss-court/news-story/6b81964bed44aeea6760ddada397f9e3

 

On about basic human rights and the fact that they shouldn't have been allowed to appeal to CAS except on legal error....

Which I thought is exactly what they did because the afl interpreted the standard of proof too highly

1 minute ago, biggestred said:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/essendon-banned-players-consider-appeal-to-swiss-court/news-story/6b81964bed44aeea6760ddada397f9e3

 

On about basic human rights and the fact that they shouldn't have been allowed to appeal to CAS except on legal error....

Which I thought is exactly what they did because the afl interpreted the standard of proof too highly

That was my understanding as well.

also RE basic human rights

The Clubs, AFL and players all agreed to abide by WADA rules and WADA Code protocols.

The players when they signed contracts.

If you sign up to something you agree to it.

THE END.

21 minutes ago, biggestred said:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/essendon-banned-players-consider-appeal-to-swiss-court/news-story/6b81964bed44aeea6760ddada397f9e3

 

On about basic human rights and the fact that they shouldn't have been allowed to appeal to CAS except on legal error....

Which I thought is exactly what they did because the afl interpreted the standard of proof too highly

The appeal was not based on any legal error. In the process WADA have the right to appeal any ruling for any reason to CAS. It seems wrong but it is there to protect sport from governing bodies of sports putting in patsy judges, hearing everything exactly as the law requires, and then delivering the ruling the governing body wanted. Why does that sound familiar?

10 minutes ago, Chris said:

The appeal was not based on any legal error. In the process WADA have the right to appeal any ruling for any reason to CAS. It seems wrong but it is there to protect sport from governing bodies of sports putting in patsy judges, hearing everything exactly as the law requires, and then delivering the ruling the governing body wanted. Why does that sound familiar?

lol, sounds like it was designed to provide for corrupt local sporting bodies in Eastern Europe/Africa/Latin America. So they can't just bribe a local judge or whatever.

The AFL keeps good company.

Just now, Choke said:

lol, sounds like it was designed to provide for corrupt local sporting bodies in Eastern Europe/Africa/Latin America. So they can't just bribe a local judge or whatever.

The AFL keeps good company.

or a Russian Athletics Governing body....

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-22/balme-blasts-wada-calls-for-afl-to-break-away

"We shouldn't be part of the WADA program, that's my view, of course we shouldn't," Balme told Melbourne radio station SEN.

"If we've ever had to deal with what WADA or ASADA do, it's almost a huge, political thing, that you can’t even fight against."

Balme went on to question the credibility of the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

"Well, who’s CAS?  You reckon they are independent, who appointed those blokes?" Balme asked.

"I reckon it might have been WADA or ASADA – they’re independent?  

"They’re not very trustworthy I reckon.  Would this CAS mob be independent?"

gee balmey - the players appointed one of those judges for a start

10 minutes ago, biggestred said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-22/balme-blasts-wada-calls-for-afl-to-break-away

"We shouldn't be part of the WADA program, that's my view, of course we shouldn't," Balme told Melbourne radio station SEN.

"If we've ever had to deal with what WADA or ASADA do, it's almost a huge, political thing, that you can’t even fight against."

Balme went on to question the credibility of the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

"Well, who’s CAS?  You reckon they are independent, who appointed those blokes?" Balme asked.

"I reckon it might have been WADA or ASADA – they’re independent?  

"They’re not very trustworthy I reckon.  Would this CAS mob be independent?"

gee balmey - the players appointed one of those judges for a start

From elsewhere - " Is that Neil Balme formerly director of football at Geelong that once employed the services of Dank & Robinson?"

Balme's comments are misguided and simply mischief.  Regardless of where you sit on this matter, WADA, CAS and ASADA are the bodies for drugs in sport.  We have all seen how the AFL conducts itself when trying to police these matters.

I am surprised with Balme's comments, maybe it's time he took a global view outside of his tiny backyard.

9 minutes ago, biggestred said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-22/balme-blasts-wada-calls-for-afl-to-break-away

"We shouldn't be part of the WADA program, that's my view, of course we shouldn't," Balme told Melbourne radio station SEN.

"If we've ever had to deal with what WADA or ASADA do, it's almost a huge, political thing, that you can’t even fight against."

Balme went on to question the credibility of the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

"Well, who’s CAS?  You reckon they are independent, who appointed those blokes?" Balme asked.

"I reckon it might have been WADA or ASADA – they’re independent?  

"They’re not very trustworthy I reckon.  Would this CAS mob be independent?"

gee balmey - the players appointed one of those judges for a start

Heard him this morning, he was way off the mark and out of his depth on the subject. KB, Waldron & DC would have none of it so he was pushing s....up hill and seemed to be making it up as he went.

Just more propaganda in the fight to get the AFL to move away from the WADA code.

dont forget - the code is there so that clean athletes can participate fairly and so that athlete health isnt jeopardised by ingesting unknown substances or unsupervised quantities of substances. Sound familiar??

11 minutes ago, biggestred said:

...

gee balmey - the players appointed one of those judges for a start

Some of these AFL people beggar belief - anything rather than considering that the players might just perhaps have been guilty. No, they can't be - they're our boys, not Chinese or Russians. It's really quite sickening.

It really is sad when AFL officials kick up a stink about WADA & CAS...I really believe that people on this site had a far better handle on what was going on with Essendon than 95% of those at AFL House...

I heard some of what Balmey said this morning..It was like listening to NRL Sydney Commentators

I thought Balme was better than that...Seems like "Whatever It Takes" is in more places than just Essendope...

Interesting that there wasn't a peep out of all these folks from Gordon to Loyd to Balme when Saad gets out for 2 years for taking the wrong pill once on match day. Everyone agreed he broke the rules and got what he deserved. 

I cant imagine what's in this for Balme . Unless perhaps Dank knows a hell of a lot more about a few people and a few clubs than he wants revealed. Doesn't anyone else think its amazing how little pressure has been put on Dank to talk? and that no one can subpoena him? He knows everything supposedly but still WADA and the AFL  are to blame. Dank is being protected by the press and AFL no doubt about it. No one even mentioning suing him. The further this goes on, and the more people come out publically against WADA, the more I small rotten fish somewhere else in the house outside of bomberland.

the lack of mention/blame/investigation of dank by officialdom and the media is certainly curious and tempts one to think they have something to fear from him, either costly litigation or that he has knowledge of things that would embarass or incriminate other parties. the constant deflection and blame shifting is quite obvious 

25 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

Interesting that there wasn't a peep out of all these folks from Gordon to Loyd to Balme when Saad gets out for 2 years for taking the wrong pill once on match day. Everyone agreed he broke the rules and got what he deserved. 

I cant imagine what in this for Balme . Unless perhaps Dank knows a hell of a lot more about a few people and a few clubs than he wants revealed. Doesn't anyone else think its amazing how little pressure had been put on Dank to talk? and that no one can subpoena him? He knows everything supposedly but still WADA and teh AFL belinging to the organisation are to blame. Dank is being protected by the press and AFL no doubt about it. No one even mentioning suing him. The further this goes on, and the more people come out publically against WADA, the more I small rotten fish somewhere else in the house outside of bomberland.

 

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

the lack of mention/blame/investigation of dank by officialdom and the media is certainly curious and tempts one to think they have something to fear from him, either costly litigation or that he has knowledge of things that would embarass or incriminate other parties. the constant deflection and blame shifting is quite obvious 

I was told by a very reliable source at least 2-3 years ago, that 2 Victorian "Power Clubs" were deep in Dank style supplement programs..I am not suprised that Balme is not a fan of CAS or WADA..