On 17 January 2016 at 3:20 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

Just finished reading that article now. 

How can Doc Reid say he knew nothing and still he keeps both jobs today!!

 

According to Lovett though that treatment that Reid witnessed was treatment for a shoulder (i think) injury. not necessarily part of the general supplements program.

maybe, just thinking out aloud

p.s, it also elsewhere in the article states that the 10 injections were over a few days. so what was it? 10 inone  hit or not, and what/how many did reid witness. and what specifically were the injections. article is not well written 

Injections of medicine are a bit different if it's for treatment of an injury. 

 

Injections of medicine are a bit different if it's for treatment of an injury. 

Quicker Recovery?

 

Quicker Recovery?

Yeah but it's only going to get you back up to being able to play.  It won't give you an edge over others who are already fit

 

Yeah but it's only going to get you back up to being able to play.  It won't give you an edge over others who are already fit

Yes but if the opposition are recovering conventially then there is the edge...

 

From the article:

"Claims the AFL sought a pragmatic early solution to the Essendon drama in the first half of 2013 were denied by CEO Gillon McLachlan on Tuesday night's AFL 360. Yet Aurora Andruska, the CEO of the Australian Anti-Doping Authority through the first 15 months of the saga, is on record as saying: "Their [the AFL's] objectives and ASADA's objectives are almost at odds with each other's. They are about protecting their business, protecting their brand." Andruska, it should be pointed out, was specifically lauded by Justice John Middleton of the Federal Court, in September 2014, as a "truthful witness".

I can't get behind The Australian's paywall but Chip Le Grand also took up this issue in an article yesterday.  He documents how Gil went to Canberra and the 'deal' they wanted. He was quite dismissive of Gil's denials on AFL360 and flippant references to Andruska's notes as 'just bits of paper', even tho they were accepted in court and he knows it!

Looks like Gil can also play fast and loose with the truth.

Harder and harder to enjoy "the game" as it is meant to be, a game. 

 

Injections of medicine are a bit different if it's for treatment of an injury. 

Yep. There's a difference between performance enhancing and performance enabling.

It appears that the Bomber players had two chances to avoid a long suspension and missed on both. 

A deal done by Evans and Demetriou,with a guilty plea by the players, would have seen a small suspension accepted by ASADA.

Also, a finding of guilt against the players by the AFL Tribunal and a small suspension, would probably have stopped the WADA Appeal happening.

Apparently, prior to the AFL Tribunal decision, McDevitt was comfortable with a no significant fault finding. After it, he apparently hardened his view against the players.

 

 

 

It appears that the Bomber players had two chances to avoid a long suspension and missed on both. 

A deal done by Evans and Demetriou,with a guilty plea by the players, would have seen a small suspension accepted by ASADA.

Also, a finding of guilt against the players by the AFL Tribunal and a small suspension, would probably have stopped the WADA Appeal happening.

Apparently, prior to the AFL Tribunal decision, McDevitt was comfortable with a no significant fault finding. After it, he apparently hardened his view against the players.

 

 

Kinda like if a kid does the wrong thing and recognises it and is apologetic and remorseful you might be willing to cut them some slack but if they lie and argue then you'll throw the book at them (not literally)

 

Kinda like if a kid does the wrong thing and recognises it and is apologetic and remorseful you might be willing to cut them some slack but if they lie and argue then you'll throw the book at them (not literally)

Kinda.

If you really want to read something hilarious read yesterdays h/sun. (Sat). They have managed to do a double page spread on the players partners. Not one of them quoted . It's hilarious reading and just a page filler. 

 

It would only be fair if the AFL supports Lovett-Murray in some way like they plan to do for those still playing.  Will be interesting to see if fair is in the AFL's vocabulary.

Fair is not what AFL is about anymore. Any given Sunday is a concept only. When you have the same teams in the Top 4 for many years, it becomes boring for the rest of the 14 teams and FAIR is no where to be seen.

This is why attendances drop off and no-one talks about great games anymore. They talk about odds and who is up for contract. This isn't sport anymore, its business.

 

Last night I heard Hird say he wanted to help the players by (among other things) helping them train!  Really?  As if anyone would trust him again.

However, it does beg the question of how are the players are going to keep football fit?  I think (not sure) but under WADA rules they cannot be involved with any aussie rules competition/club at any level.  But it is easy to imagine an EFC coterie member organising for their 12 to train at a new neutral gym near an oval with good fitness staff and recovery facilities under the eye of a retired AFL/VFL coach.  Unlikely to be Bomber Thompson but someone like him. 

In that scenario Bomber (or whoever) could talk to Woosha to get directions and programs for the 12. It will be very difficult for ASADA/WADA to police the rule that players cannot have contact with a club as there are 34 players spread around the country.  Hope they are watching the EFC 12 closely tho.

EFC have form.  I fully expect them to find every way possible to get around all of WADA suspension rules. 

They can train together so that would help them. 

I could see them hiring a fitness coach to oversee their training until September.

On 16 January 2016 at 3:05 PM, Hulett Packard III said:

Leon Zwier advised the MFC on the "tanking" wash up - James Hird and Essendon board to blame for sorry saga

He didn't do a very good job. Still the only case I have ever seen with a not guilty vedict but penalties still applied.

 

Sorry mate i read it via actual paper and print. I would never pay Rupert anything!!

I wish it wasn't compulsory to pay the abc anything. Last night's interveiw just demonstrates the direction the public broadcaster has turned. Again.

 

It appears that the Bomber players had two chances to avoid a long suspension and missed on both. 

A deal done by Evans and Demetriou,with a guilty plea by the players, would have seen a small suspension accepted by ASADA.

Also, a finding of guilt against the players by the AFL Tribunal and a small suspension, would probably have stopped the WADA Appeal happening.

Apparently, prior to the AFL Tribunal decision, McDevitt was comfortable with a no significant fault finding. After it, he apparently hardened his view against the players.

 

They were badly advised from the beginning. They relied on there being no records and therefore no culpability on their behalf. That was stupid in the extreme. Perhaps the overtures from Gil, the EFC and the AFL that the 'players have done no wrong' gave them comfort. No one from their camp stuck their head above the fray and said 'this is bigger than a provincial footy comp in Australia'...

10 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

He didn't do a very good job. Still the only case i have ever seen with a not guilty vedict but penalties still applied.

It was not a not guilty verdict. Contrary to what Hird says, the players were not 'cleared'. This has been a huge misnomer perpetuated by the kool-aid drinkers.

There are many cases of judgements being overturned by higher authorities.

 

It was not a not guilty verdict. Contrary to what Hird says, the players were not 'cleared'. This has been a huge misnoma perpetuated by the kool-aid drinkers.

There are many cases of judgements being overturned by higher authorities.

 

That was in reference to out tanking, not the EFC. 

 

I wish it wasn't compulsory to pay the abc anything. Last night's interveiw just demonstrates the direction the public broadcaster has turned. Again.

Was pretty bad..I am still wonering why they bothered. 

Gerard Whately is the only person who should have been in the chair...

 

Was pretty bad..I am still wonering why they bothered. 

Gerard Whately is the only person who should have been in the chair...

or Ben McDevitt, he would've asked the tough questions.

BD: James, you got injected as well, did you know what you were injected with?

 

 

or Ben McDevitt, he would've asked the tough questions.

BD: James, you got injected as well, did you know what you were injected with?

 

"According to Robinson, Hird deliberately administered himself with Melanotan II, a substance with a similar sounding name but very different use. Melanotan II is a drug used for erectile dysfunction and as a tanning agent. Robinson told ASADA both he and Hird took Melanotan II for vanity reasons, as Melbourne was heading into its summer months....

The AFL's decision to redact the side-effects, ostensibly to protect Hird's privacy, has had the effect of publicly humiliating Hird. A Fairfax gossip columnist used Google to fill in the blanks and discovered one side-effect of Melanotan II is a painful, prolonged erection. No penis pun was spared. Twitter did the rest."

 

http://www.news.com.au/national/asada-omitted-james-hirds-drug-testimony-from-report/story-e6frfkp9-1226702422158

 

or Ben McDevitt, he would've asked the tough questions.

BD: James, you got injected as well, did you know what you were injected with?

 

Exactly. What the ABC should have done is put Hird on 7.30 Report. Leigh Sales would have extracted the necessary answers

Tracey Holmes should step down. She has lost all cred. That article in Todays Age is beyond damming...

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/viewers-slam-tracey-holmes-joke-abc-interview-with-james-hird-20160117-gm7vi2.html

2 hours ago, Cards13 said:

"According to Robinson, Hird deliberately administered himself with Melanotan II, a substance with a similar sounding name but very different use. Melanotan II is a drug used for erectile dysfunction and as a tanning agent. Robinson told ASADA both he and Hird took Melanotan II for vanity reasons, as Melbourne was heading into its summer months....

The AFL's decision to redact the side-effects, ostensibly to protect Hird's privacy, has had the effect of publicly humiliating Hird. A Fairfax gossip columnist used Google to fill in the blanks and discovered one side-effect of Melanotan II is a painful, prolonged erection. No penis pun was spared. Twitter did the rest."

 

http://www.news.com.au/national/asada-omitted-james-hirds-drug-testimony-from-report/story-e6frfkp9-1226702422158

Someone tell Hird to harden up did they?

8 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Someone tell Hird to harden up did they?

He did it the only way he knew how... Needled