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[Bitter but optimistic 21,245]

Gee .... it's ages since I've been sexually harassed.

[Sir Why You Little 34,443]

36 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Why should it be the victims job to have ago at the perpetrator?

They are both working, it is not appropriate. If he had waited until they were off air IMO it is not as bad. If his team mates egged him on that makes it worse for the victim. Kick the [censored] out. 

Stop blaming the victim.

PS: - I have been inappropriate and I am no angel but at least I know what is wrong and when and how to apologise. And its starts and ends with I am sorry. (No conditions)

When have i blamed the victim?

all i am saying is that life throws up curve balls and always will. 

You either throw them back or you  get hurt. 

[ManDee 7,077]

17 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes...but once it was said She should have put him in his place...

 

17 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Kinda the very definition of victim blaming isn't it??

They were both in their workplace, it's not her responsibility to put him in his place.

 

17 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

No it is not...But Life aint like The Brady Bunch...Live TV is just that...You have to be ready

I think Mel is great...But she could have Nailed Gayle so quickly...A Simple "I beg your pardon..." would have put a stop to it

I think Gayle was set up as you can hear Team Mates laughing in the background...so he is not the only guilty one...

 

 

5 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

When have i blamed the victim?

all i am saying is that life throws up curve balls and always will. 

You either throw them back or you  get hurt. 

SWYL you keep saying she should have done something.

Why should she have to do anything? By suggesting it is up to her to put him in his place you suggest that it is her responsibility. That is placing a burden / responsibility on the victim. By doing that you have placed blame on the victim, (she should have done....)

The extension can be drawn that women should not wear short skirts or reveal too much skin or go out after dark or should put sexual harasses in their place, can you see that? This is not a personal attack, but we need to be aware that our words, actions and inaction's have an effect on others, you have said that you have been a victim of discrimination. You should not have to defend yourself, good on you that you have but it is not your or her responsibility. As a community we need to protect those that are discriminated against, are harassed or victimised. 

You are no doubt a strong character and have found ways to get on in life, not every victim is able to do that. We need to help all victims without asking more of them.

 

[stuie 7,374]

20 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

When have i blamed the victim?

 

21 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Pity Mel didn't have a go at him on air as it happened

whole thing would have been sorted there and then...

 

18 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes...but once it was said She should have put him in his place...

 

17 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I think Mel is great...But she could have Nailed Gayle so quickly...A Simple "I beg your pardon..." would have put a stop to it

 

 

13 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

i would have loved Mel to cane him on air with a quick reply...Front foot

pity it didn't happen. 

 

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I have had many comments thrown at me over the years and the best way to diffuse a situation is to throw a quick comment back. 

The alternative is to be walked over...

 

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Mel is a great Journo she will learn to be more aware of what might happen when the Red Light comes on...

 

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

to diffuse the situation she should have returned a backhander

then Chris would have felt like a bag of shite on live TV

QED

All your posts have focused on what Mel should have done, when the ACTUAL POINT is it should never have happened in the first place.

That's why you're coming across as victim blaming and making excuses for Gayle.

Be a man and just say Gayle was sexist, it should never have happened. It's as simple as that.

 

[Sir Why You Little 34,443]

1 minute ago, ManDee said:

 

 

 

SWYL you keep saying she should have done something.

Why should she have to do anything? By suggesting it is up to her to put him in his place you suggest that it is her responsibility. That is placing a burden / responsibility on the victim. By doing that you have placed blame on the victim, (she should have done....)

The extension can be drawn that women should not wear short skirts or reveal too much skin or go out after dark or should put sexual harasses in their place, can you see that? This is not a personal attack, but we need to be aware that our words, actions and inaction's have an effect on others, you have said that you have been a victim of discrimination. You should not have to defend yourself, good on you that you have but it is not your or her responsibility. As a community we need to protect those that are discriminated against, are harassed or victimised. 

You are no doubt a strong character and have found ways to get on in life, not every victim is able to do that. We need to help all victims without asking more of them.

 

Because if you don't do something..The situation gets a lot worse. 

Once that Red Light goes on..Then it is ON

In a perfect world what you say above is correct. But that is not the reality we all have each day. 

Yes i have been discriminated against at times and those who have done it have copped it straight back. 

And guess what?? Not another word outa them. 

Learnt this in the schoolyard

you stand up or get annihalated. 

The perfect scenario can only be used as a theory. 

[Sir Why You Little 34,443]

42 minutes ago, stuie said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All your posts have focused on what Mel should have done, when the ACTUAL POINT is it should never have happened in the first place.

That's why you're coming across as victim blaming and making excuses for Gayle.

Be a man and just say Gayle was sexist, it should never have happened. It's as simple as that.

 

These are your opinions Stuie

not mine.

As a Presenter of Live TV these are situations Mel will encounter on her journey. Learn the counter punch

 

men shall always flirt with women it is in the DNA thankfully

And you still haven't told me what your experience with live TV was??

[stuie 7,374]

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

These are your opinions Stuie

not mine.

As a Presenter of Live TV these are situations Mel will encounter on her journey. Learn the counter punch

 

men shall always flirt with women it is in the DNA thankfully

And you still haven't told me what your experience with live TV was??

More excuses for sexism. Weak as the proverbial.

 

[Salems Lot 2,369]

4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The whole thing was pretty cheap

the way Team mates behind him were laughing i am sure the whole thing was set up so i don't think Gayle should be the only one to go down, but he will. 

He is the one who said it; you paint him as either incredibly stupid or simple; what he is is responsible.  I agree with other posters that she simply should not have had to deal with it at all.

 

[ManDee 7,077]

38 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

These are your opinions Stuie

not mine.

As a Presenter of Live TV these are situations Mel will encounter on her journey. Learn the counter punch

 

men shall always flirt with women it is in the DNA thankfully

And you still haven't told me what your experience with live TV was??

I think you are right, but there is a time and a place.

She is working on live TV, she is put upon, how should she react? What if she was interested but did not want to let on on national TV? It was simply the wrong time and place to make a pass like that. He should have waited until she was not working on live TV, he may have received a more positive outcome. 

If he really wanted to go out with her he would have waited, so what he was infact doing was playing a power game, he intended to make her uncomfortable. Sleezebag!         Edit:- Gayle not you.

Edited January 8, 2016 by ManDee
Gayle not you.

[Sir Why You Little 34,443]

2 minutes ago, ManDee said:

I think you are right, but there is a time and a place.

She is working on live TV, she is put upon, how should she react? What if she was interested but did not want to let on on national TV? It was simply the wrong time and place to make a pass like that. He should have waited until she was not working on live TV, he may have received a more positive outcome. 

If he really wanted to go out with her he would have waited, so what he was infact doing was playing a power game, he intended to make her uncomfortable. Sleezebag!         Edit:- Gayle not you.

Not disputing the timing. It was a cheap shot from Gayle. 

But if Mel had come back with a quick sharp reply then she would have become an instant hero

 

[nutbean 8,837]

5 minutes ago, ManDee said:

I think you are right, but there is a time and a place.

She is working on live TV, she is put upon, how should she react? What if she was interested but did not want to let on on national TV? It was simply the wrong time and place to make a pass like that. He should have waited until she was not working on live TV, he may have received a more positive outcome. 

If he really wanted to go out with her he would have waited, so what he was infact doing was playing a power game, he intended to make her uncomfortable. Sleezebag!         Edit:- Gayle not you.

"don't blush, baby" - I have seen drinks thrown in faces for less obnoxious and arrogant comments than that.

I find his excuse of it being a "joke" as appalling as the action itself. 

[Sir Why You Little 34,443]

14 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

He is the one who said it; you paint him as either incredibly stupid or simple; what he is is responsible.  I agree with other posters that she simply should not have had to deal with it at all.

 

I have never said she should have had to deal with it. 

A sharp reply would have merely embarrassed him FURTHER on National TV

[Bitter but optimistic 21,245]

It is always a wonderful thing to watch moral outrage fester on Demonland.

In my view SWYL posted an opinion of a possible alternative behaviour, based on his experience, for the reporter.

Agree with it or not, but I fail to see any good reason for the personal bashing he has received because of it.

[Sir Why You Little 34,443]

46 minutes ago, stuie said:

More excuses for sexism. Weak as the proverbial.

 

Yes Stuie i know your position on this matter....

[nutbean 8,837]

1 minute ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

It is always a wonderful thing to watch moral outrage fester on Demonland.

In my view SWYL posted an opinion of a possible alternative behaviour, based on his experience, for the reporter.

Agree with it or not, but I fail to see any good reason for the personal bashing he has received because of it.

but..but ...but ..but we do personal bashing so well....

[ManDee 7,077]

6 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Not disputing the timing. It was a cheap shot from Gayle. 

But if Mel had come back with a quick sharp reply then she would have become an instant hero.

 

 

No doubt, but should she really have to?

But if you want to listen to a beautiful slap down from a woman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOPsxpMzYw4

[ManDee 7,077]

How an organisation should handle inappropriate behavior.

Worth watching to the end only 3 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaqpoeVgr8U

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,876]

15 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

It is always a wonderful thing to watch moral outrage fester on Demonland.

In my view SWYL posted an opinion of a possible alternative behaviour, based on his experience, for the reporter.

Agree with it or not, but I fail to see any good reason for the personal bashing he has received because of it.

I wonder if Stu has a job or is he paid to police these boards. 

My favourite bit is where Stu gets caught out arguing with one poster so just drops the ball and starts jumping on someone else. 

[Sir Why You Little 34,443]

14 minutes ago, ManDee said:

 

No doubt, but should she really have to?

But if you want to listen to a beautiful slap down from a woman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOPsxpMzYw4

Julia's finest moment there

i don't think Abbott understood a word of it either!

[ManDee 7,077]

2 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I wonder if Stu has a job or is he paid to police these boards. 

My favourite bit is where Stu gets caught out arguing with one poster so just drops the ball and starts jumping on someone else. 

But he is right on this issue, other than his personal attacks which are unnecessary he makes valid points.

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,876]

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

But he is right on this issue, other than his personal attacks which are unnecessary he makes valid points.

Not on every point he's made he's not.

[Cranky Franky 1,486]

16 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Not on every point he's made he's not.

I have to adjudicate that SWYL is quite correct on this matter.  Mel is supposed to be a professional journalist & this is not play school.  She should have been prepared with something to put Gayle right back in his box - being sharp & quick on your feet is the hallmark of  live journalism.  I'm sure that Leigh Sales or Caro Wilson would have embarrassed him on air quick smart. 

[stuie 7,374]

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Not disputing the timing. It was a cheap shot from Gayle. 

But if Mel had come back with a quick sharp reply then she would have become an instant hero

 

Excuses and victim blaming STILL.

Have you even seen the interview? She clearly tells him she's not blushing. That should have been more than enough.

FMD.

 

[stuie 7,374]

1 minute ago, Cranky Franky said:

I have to adjudicate that SWYL is quite correct on this matter.  Mel is supposed to be a professional journalist & this is not play school.  She should have been prepared with something to put Gayle right back in his box - being sharp & quick on your feet is the hallmark of  live journalism.  I'm sure that Leigh Sales or Caro Wilson would have embarrassed him on air quick smart. 

Gotcha, so sexual harassment in the workplace is totally fine, it's up to the person on the receiving end to sort it out not up to the perpetrator to just not do it...

 

[ManDee 7,077]

I am resigned to the fact that some people get it, some will get it and some never will.