Gorgoroth 13,226 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 3 hours ago, Bossdog said: Ha Ha......Ask the coaching panel. They said you are wrong.
PaulRB 6,436 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 6 hours ago, DemonDave said: Spot on Bossdog. People can twist perceptions on players once they leave. Both Howe and Frawley were finishing in our B&F Top 10 every year for their last few seasons, yet people accuse them of 'coasting'. What does that say about the other players below them if they werent trying. Both were and are still good players. Another big improvement by our current FD is their ability to identify early good players who were open to leaving and whom had some value. Frawley, a very good backman who as too old to feature in our next tilt for pick 3 - Brayshaw or Petracca, was an inspired working of the system. Howe, for pick XY, Melksham or whomever (is it clear who we got for Howe's picks?) may prove to be likewise. They've taken our loss of good players and built a better team, it seems...
monoccular 17,815 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 On 15 December 2015 at 10:44 AM, H_T said: Looking forward to the day posters give up on discussion on Scully and be thankful what we got in return and have now at our disposal. On 15 December 2015 at 10:59 AM, Good Times Grimes said: Just because we benefited from him leaving doesn't mean that we can't despise him and insult him at any and every opportunity. The little prjck lied to a dying Jimmy.....is that enough reason to despise him?
La Dee-vina Comedia 17,151 Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 5 hours ago, monoccular said: The little prjck lied to a dying Jimmy.....is that enough reason to despise him? No. He was just a kid. Why do we assume very young footballers in pressure situations can act like sophisticated adults in the world of business or politics (both of whom, as it happens, also struggle to tell the truth)?
Elusive Tunbridge 795 Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 22 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said: No. He was just a kid. Why do we assume very young footballers in pressure situations can act like sophisticated adults in the world of business or politics (both of whom, as it happens, also struggle to tell the truth)? And you could question Jimmy's judgement in asking at all.
Redleg 42,287 Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 4 hours ago, Elusive Tunbridge said: And you could question Jimmy's judgement in asking at all. Why would you post that comment, given Jimmy's state of health at the time? BTW, that is what made the lie so much worse.
Elusive Tunbridge 795 Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 Scully would have been well within his rights to refuse to answer, but he was being questioned by a legend of the game, the club president, who was terminally ill. He shouldn't have lied, but I don't find it hard to understand, or forgive. Given Jimmy's state of health at the time, I expect he was concerned about the future of the club, and so he asked. But he shouldn't have.
Mach5 4,768 Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 7 hours ago, Redleg said: Why would you post that comment, given Jimmy's state of health at the time? BTW, that is what made the lie so much worse. Forget Jimmy's health, the majority of his time in charge reeked of poor decision-making.
Lucifers Hero 40,847 Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 9 hours ago, Elusive Tunbridge said: Scully would have been well within his rights to refuse to answer, but he was being questioned by a legend of the game, the club president, who was terminally ill. He shouldn't have lied, but I don't find it hard to understand, or forgive. Given Jimmy's state of health at the time, I expect he was concerned about the future of the club, and so he asked. But he shouldn't have. Scully was invited to Jimmy's home for dinner to discuss his future. Scully knew he would be asked. Jimmy had every right to ask it. If Scully didn't want to answer it he should not have gone to the dinner or should have taken his manager, parent or whoever. Why is that any different to when someone like Eddie invites a current (eg Cloke) or future player to his home to discuss their future or contract. It isn't. Scully is in the past and I don't care about him but I do care about the aspersions being made of Jim. Like the rest of us he made mistakes but asking Scully his intentions wasn't one of them. Scully had been holding out all year, someone had to ask him!
La Dee-vina Comedia 17,151 Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 10 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said: Scully was invited to Jimmy's home for dinner to discuss his future. Scully knew he would be asked. Jimmy had every right to ask it. If Scully didn't want to answer it he should not have gone to the dinner or should have taken his manager, parent or whoever. Why is that any different to when someone like Eddie invites a current (eg Cloke) or future player to his home to discuss their future or contract. It isn't. Scully is in the past and I don't care about him but I do care about the aspersions being made of Jim. Like the rest of us he made mistakes but asking Scully his intentions wasn't one of them. Scully had been holding out all year, someone had to ask him! Why? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rules at the time meant that Scully and GWS couldn't sign a contract or make any announcements until the end of the season. In effect, Scully, GWS and Melbourne were each placed in an impossible position. But given the club knew that there were only two outcomes - he stays or he goes - it wasn't that hard for the club to plan around both scenarios. So, what was to be gained by asking the question? [Note to self: It's time we all moved on. Don't participate in any more discussion about this topic.]
Good Times Grimes 2,396 Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 13 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said: Why? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rules at the time meant that Scully and GWS couldn't sign a contract or make any announcements until the end of the season. In effect, Scully, GWS and Melbourne were each placed in an impossible position. But given the club knew that there were only two outcomes - he stays or he goes - it wasn't that hard for the club to plan around both scenarios. So, what was to be gained by asking the question? [Note to self: It's time we all moved on. Don't participate in any more discussion about this topic.] I'm pretty sure there was a loophole in the rules that meant that GWS (and GC the year before) could sign players a year prior to their current contract ending. There was also a rumour that Scully wanted to back out of the contract with GWS as the public pressure built up, but it was too late for him to do so.
Roger Mellie 4,213 Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 34 minutes ago, Good Times Grimes said: There was also a rumour that Scully wanted to back out of the contract with GWS as the public pressure built up, but it was too late for him to do so. Thank God he didn't
Good Times Grimes 2,396 Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 16 minutes ago, Roger Mellie said: Thank God he didn't You're most welcome
H_T 3,049 Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 2 hours ago, Roger Mellie said: Thank God he didn't My point precisely. Let's take it and move on.
daisycutter 30,048 Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 have no f idea who you are talking about i must get out more
H_T 3,049 Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 8 minutes ago, daisycutter said: have no f idea who you are talking about i must get out more pg 2
ManDee 7,427 Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 I watched the replays of the Collingwood and GWS games on the weekend. Jeremy Howe took some great marks, gave away frees, 50m penalties and hardly hit a target. I think we will be a better side without him. (How sad-watching replays at this time of year I hear you say. My son has returned from os after 2 years away, we had some footy to share. Big dees fan!)
FireOath 290 Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 On 12/14/2015 at 6:49 AM, Peter Griffen said: Crossy is still in great shape, kind of wish we picked up him as a rookie at least for one more year. He needs to be in great shape as he is our runner next year.
H_T 3,049 Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 2 minutes ago, Barra17 said: He needs to be in great shape as he is our runner next year. He'll fill in the holes nicely as a runner. Cue BT's frustrations in the commentary box.
FireOath 290 Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 I wouldn't even be mad if he got in the way and went for a run down the wing with the ball.
daisycutter 30,048 Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 1 hour ago, H_T said: pg 2 never heard of him
monoccular 17,815 Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 13 hours ago, Roger Mellie said: Thank God he didn't Don't get me wrong - I am very happy that he has gone somewhere else - is he still playing AFL? We have done incredibly well out of his departure. But, I just despise him and cannot forgive him for lying to a dying great of our club, of the game, when he could and should have done what others have, and obfuscated. Others may choose to forgive but I cannot and will not.
Good Times Grimes 2,396 Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 8 hours ago, monoccular said: But, I just despise him and cannot forgive him for lying to a dying great of our club, of the game, when he could and should have done what others have, and obfuscated. Others may choose to forgive but I cannot and will not.
nutbean 8,838 Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 10 hours ago, monoccular said: But, I just despise him and cannot forgive him for lying to a dying great of our club, of the game, when he could and should have done what others have, and obfuscated. Others may choose to forgive but I cannot and will not. I am pretty level headed about my football and whilst I have passion, footy is a part of my life amongst other things and I move on pretty quickly. I am not sure why but that little rodent still upsets me. Not because he took the money ( good on him I say), not because he is gone ( we did much better out of the deal) but because, as you said he could have fudged the leaving scenario but went outright lies and deception.
Sir Why You Little 37,550 Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 17 minutes ago, nutbean said: I am pretty level headed about my football and whilst I have passion, footy is a part of my life amongst other things and I move on pretty quickly. I am not sure why but that little rodent still upsets me. Not because he took the money ( good on him I say), not because he is gone ( we did much better out of the deal) but because, as you said he could have fudged the leaving scenario but went outright lies and deception. ^^This. I don't care that he is gone at all BUT the vision of him looking straight down the Camera saying "I want to be a one club player" i knew he was lying and as a member of the club he was lying to, Felt very angry and still do whenever i think of it.
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