However, the one that I would have been happy to take ahead of him was not Wines but Stringer. This is not hindsight, I've expressed a number of times that I thought he may well end up the player of his draft year. I think he's heading that way...

It was his broken leg that mad him slide. I wonder if it never had happen where he would've gone.

A forward line with Hogan and Stringer would've been incredible.

I don't mind the Melksham, Kennedy and Bugg pick ups. I'm a bit disappointed we gave pick 25 for Melksham rather than 29 but that's what you get when you have a coach obsessed with win-win, fair deals (remember Jolly for pick 15?), and if every club held off in the hope of using different picks later in trade-week no deals would ever get done.

The disappointing thing in my opinion is some of the gaping holes in our list that have not been addressed at all.

Outside pace - no interest in Seedsman or Freeman.

Elite kicks off half back - no interest in Suckling.

Help for Hogan up forward - no interest in Walker.

Help for Gawn - no interest in Smith, Simpson, Giles, Currie.

For a coach that talked up how aggressive we would be in trade week I'm a bit surprised.

Don't agree entirely with this post, but the highlighted remark is why fans are rightfully a bit annoyed. Trading out Howe and Toumpas is hardly aggressive trading.

Roos also banged on about getting an A+ grade player and that hasn't eventuated. I understand he was probably trying to attract an A grader with these comments, but he should have just kept his cards close to his chest and gone after these type of guys behind closed doors. We do this anyway. Instead, he set up supporter expectations in a way that were always probably unrealistic.

I've heard we were close with Prestia, but apart from him, gee, it was a comment that was more than likely bound to set him up for failure and supporter angst.

Carlton's Menzel is being pursued by Adelaide, reportedly for pick 29 and Sam Kerridge.

Lately, ex-Carlton forwards go almost as well as ex-Brisbane mids, and Menzel certainly has some ability, though inconsistent.

I'd be interested in how people rate him. I fully expect a lot of 'Jack Watts only shorter' misgivings.

Meanwhile, I was looking at our list to see if we had anything equivalent to Kerridge to offer, and noticed that really just about every young player we have left is someone you'd want to hang on to. Good times.

We have a good young list, a lot of talent. Adding Menzel to that list would be fantastic, but I agree, I can't really think of a player equivalent to Kerridge. Perhaps we could offer our second round pick this year, and our 2016 second rounder, or something along those lines.

Cannot believe people are still banging on about a support for Jesse. We have Dawes and Pedersen for next year. For now we have much more pressing concerns. Our improved, but still weak and at times deplorable midfield.

Cannot believe people are still banging on about a support for Jesse. We have Dawes and Pedersen for next year. For now we have much more pressing concerns. Our improved, but still weak and at times deplorable midfield.

I hardly think that it our midfield is still deplorable with Vince, Tyson, Vanders, Viney and Brayshaw added to N. jones and with next year having Petracca, Trenners, 2015 pick 6 (if used on a midfielder) joining the midfield plus the possibility that some of our new and existing recruits will be rotated through it. One good player added to our Forward structure (who could help out in the ruck) IMO would have more effect than a single addition to our midfield.

Cannot believe people are still banging on about a support for Jesse. We have Dawes and Pedersen for next year. For now we have much more pressing concerns. Our improved, but still weak and at times deplorable midfield.

Mahoney thought it was a pressing enough issue to mention it as something we needed on trade radio.

Cannot believe people are still banging on about a support for Jesse. We have Dawes and Pedersen for next year. For now we have much more pressing concerns. Our improved, but still weak and at times deplorable midfield.

How long does it take to develop a tall forward?

How much does it cost to trade one in?

How much longer do you want Dawes and Pedersen to be the solution?

We need a long term option.

How long does it take to develop a tall forward?

How much does it cost to trade one in?

How much longer do you want Dawes and Pedersen to be the solution?

We need a long term option.

agree. Not a Ben Kennedy calibre player. If we cannot pull off a last minute trade, grab Weidman. His athleticism would complement Hoges well. Assuming Curnow is gone by 6

agree. Not a Ben Kennedy calibre player. If we cannot pull off a last minute trade, grab Weidman. His athleticism would complement Hoges well. Assuming Curnow is gone by 6

Do you know if there is any footage of Weideman? He is one player I can't seem to find any footage of.

Would Geelong's Shane Kersten be worth a look? Young 22 year old. 2nd tall. Could be a good option depending on how other trades work out

I think he may be out of contract too

NO.

Has talent, but seriously mentally weak.

I expect him to be delisted within the next 2 years.

I hardly think that it our midfield is still deplorable with Vince, Tyson, Vanders, Viney and Brayshaw added to N. jones and with next year having Petracca, Trenners, 2015 pick 6 (if used on a midfielder) joining the midfield plus the possibility that some of our new and existing recruits will be rotated through it. One good player added to our Forward structure (who could help out in the ruck) IMO would have more effect than a single addition to our midfield.

So that's six, plus a first year player and a bloke who hasn't played for two years. Absolute best case scenario, we have a midfield that runs eight deep and that's best case. The top 8 teams run at least 10 deep. You could add pick 6 and you're still short. Melksham and Kennedy will be around there too, but we need more.

Mahoney thought it was a pressing enough issue to mention it as something we needed on trade radio.

I'm not saying we don't need a back up, but we have more pressing concerns, IMO.

Cannot believe people are still banging on about a support for Jesse. We have Dawes and Pedersen for next year. For now we have much more pressing concerns. Our improved, but still weak and at times deplorable midfield.

Assuming Frost is fit and is our next key back, I'd be interested to see Garland partner Hogan for a while.

We'd have Dunn, Frost, T Mac as talls down back so we should have enough coverage down there.

How are these 'exchange of picks' to improve our draft position looking?

Tell me it'll happen.

I was told last night that Bugg will be our only other trade unless something miraculous pops up. We never made serious plays for an a grader other than Prestia.

I was told last night that Bugg will be our only other trade unless something miraculous pops up. We never made serious plays for an a grader other than Prestia.

I hope like hell that Presita's injury comes good and that this trade we've been pushing for for so long does actually eventuate next year.

Otherwise, it's been a complete waste of our time.

Cannot believe people are still banging on about a support for Jesse. We have Dawes and Pedersen for next year. For now we have much more pressing concerns. Our improved, but still weak and at times deplorable midfield.

The club clearly thought it was an issue when they pursued Tom Lynch. Unless you pick up an elite junior KPF in the pointy end of the draft, trading for an established one is the way to go.

Assuming Frost is fit and is our next key back, I'd be interested to see Garland partner Hogan for a while.

We'd have Dunn, Frost, T Mac as talls down back so we should have enough coverage down there.

I've said this a couple of times too. Agreed.

Any chance we can package M Jones and Terlich to a club for a swap of picks in the 120's?

I was told last night that Bugg will be our only other trade unless something miraculous pops up. We never made serious plays for an a grader other than Prestia.

Bugg deal to get done today NSC?

I hardly think that it our midfield is still deplorable with Vince, Tyson, Vanders, Viney and Brayshaw added to N. jones and with next year having Petracca, Trenners, 2015 pick 6 (if used on a midfielder) joining the midfield plus the possibility that some of our new and existing recruits will be rotated through it. One good player added to our Forward structure (who could help out in the ruck) IMO would have more effect than a single addition to our midfield.

Add Salem to that. And possibly Harmes rotating through on occasion (though I reckon he's going to turn in to a really good HFF in time.

Add Salem to that. And possibly Harmes rotating through on occasion (though I reckon he's going to turn in to a really good HFF in time.

And if anyone gets injured? And I'm sorry to say they will.

We need more midfield depth. People have very short memories.

And if anyone gets injured? And I'm sorry to say they will.

We need more midfield depth. People have very short memories.

Don't disagree, but I don't think it's quite the imperative that it was. We need a foil for Jesse, Dawes aint it.

EDIT: Should add that Weideman makes me nervous, if it was me, I'd pass on him. Big, tall injury prone (to this point), allegedly goes missing in games. Gee whiz, I know there's upside but it could so easily become a nightmare.

Don't agree entirely with this post, but the highlighted remark is why fans are rightfully a bit annoyed. Trading out Howe and Toumpas is hardly aggressive trading.

Roos also banged on about getting an A+ grade player and that hasn't eventuated. I understand he was probably trying to attract an A grader with these comments, but he should have just kept his cards close to his chest and gone after these type of guys behind closed doors. We do this anyway. Instead, he set up supporter expectations in a way that were always probably unrealistic.

I've heard we were close with Prestia, but apart from him, gee, it was a comment that was more than likely bound to set him up for failure and supporter angst.

Spot on Adam.

This is why I'm dissapointed. Roos was saying consistently on 360 about getting an "A" grader to the point where I was thinking he has someone lined up but unfortunately nothing eventuated.

We have three new players coming in provided Bugg gets done but nothing that "excites" me.

Time will tell how it works out but I am getting tired of waiting.

Tbh I thought with Roos on board we may have attracted better talent.

I love how Roos stated that we'll be aggressive in the trade period, yet 9 days down with only 2 to go (more like 1.5), we've brought in Melksham and Kennedy. We also seem to be sitting back waiting for other things to transpire before we engage trading again. Very aggressive indeed!!!

I am disappointed too but the reality is you are very limited in what you can do and it now depends heavily on players wanting to come to you. We aren't aware of who they have been talkng too so can't really comment,

Dangerfield was apparently thrown a blank chq, Parker was chased... what more can they do??

Part of the rhetoric as we know about Roos is that it plays to a wider audience. Its not simply telling supporters we will be aggressive, Its telling other clubs, 'make sure you speak to us because we have picks and players and will look at every deal'. We are definitely a club that others can do deals with and I would surmise we get to see a lot of potential deals - but closing them is tremendously hard.

Having said that, so far I am very underwhelmed with what we have done. There is an arguable improvement in the list but its marginal at best and we have to improve massively overall (but particularly in the midfield).

And we have to improve relatively - most people don't get this. Improving our list is one part of the equation but everyone else is doing the same. We have to improve relative to the top teams and this is where free agency has farked it up for the lower clubs. In any given year the bottom team will improve relatively against the top team by a single draft pick (because after the first pick the picks are essentially equal). If you stuff that pick up like we have done you haven't improved. With FA players leaving bottom clubs to go to the top clubs, the bottom clubs are worse off. So much for equalisation.

I hardly think that it our midfield is still deplorable with Vince, Tyson, Vanders, Viney and Brayshaw added to N. jones and with next year having Petracca, Trenners, 2015 pick 6 (if used on a midfielder) joining the midfield plus the possibility that some of our new and existing recruits will be rotated through it. One good player added to our Forward structure (who could help out in the ruck) IMO would have more effect than a single addition to our midfield.

Its the 18th midfield in the comp. That's about as deplorable as it gets. But if you think its OK then........