So much for Kennedy and Howe Will be two separate trades

one was left hand the other right

Collingwood supporters disagreeing.

Every supporter over-values their own players, even when they can't get a game.

If I was a Collingwood supporter I'd be p#ssed off as well. They didn't screw us over at all. Port appear to have got Toumpas cheaply. If he's a list clogger, then they've probably broken even from the deal.

Its almost a done deal, the club has extracted what it could so that it can get on with what ever deals it can still do, better than having this play out all week. Both Howe and Jimmy were not seen to be the type of players we want. Anyone coming in to replace them would not need to do a lot to beat their stats, admittedly howe would do an occasional great thing, but it was occasional and you could not rely on him. time to move on to the next deal, maybe we can throw the kitchen sink and the toilet seat at Treloar to try to push up his asking price and to [censored] Collingwood off.

i rekon the pies got the worst out of the trade

Just once I want to come out first in something.

We basically traded Toumpas for pick 50, three seasons after investing pick 4 into him.

I would rather back him in and delist him in two years than take a punt on pick 50.

I wish him luck and I wish Howe failure.

Don't forget all of the money we invested into him,

Not just his contract money either. All of the other cash for welfare, coaches etc...

one was left hand the other right

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By that reasoning, we should've taken four picks in the 50s and cut away 29 altogether. Why even bother with Kennedy when we can get more points for late picks?

Draft picks or points don't actually kick, mark or handball. Out of all our trades, Kennedy excites me the most.

I would rather back him in and delist him in two years than take a punt on pick 50.

It was a multi-way trade, you can't just pick one element out of it and pair that with a player. If you were though, it's basically Kennedy for Toumpas. Both first round draft picks, both played a similar number of games, seems a fair enough trade.

But more importantly ... the same logic as above applies to Kennedy as well as to Toumpas: if we can back Jimmy in, we can back Kennedy in. Highly rated junior, first round draft pick by Derek Hine (supposedly Mr. Magic when it comes to the draft), has had a few decent games, knows how to find the footy at least at a lower level etc. etc.

What we need to remember is that Toumpas was a Neeld pick. He was the bloke who was keenest on him, so it's not surprising how it turned out.

Our recruiting team was very keen on Kennedy to the point that, had Toumpas gone to GWS, we would have taken him at 4 that year. We've seen them make some excellent drafting decisions over the last few years, so if they believed he was that good then I'm more than willing to get behind it.

Just been confirmed on the official twitter handle of the club:

In: Kennedy, pick 29 and 50

Out: Howe, Toumpas

Kennedy for Toumpas and Howe for Melksham. Sounds about right.

Dees fans need to look at it this way. Essentially swapped Toumpas for Kennedy. Points value of 29+50 equals pick 20 for Howe.

When considering points value, that's only if you assume you trade such picks later on. If we are left with picks 29 + 50 come draft time (even though same points value as pick 20), they are ages behind pick 20.

I only look at hindsight with all these deals, drafts and trades. On paper does not look too inspiring. But then again Toumpas was supposed to be a star when we recruited him and Vince got the "meh" treatment when he landed. In a couple of years it will be crystal clear if we did well or not. It's a relief to see two more serial non commiters out the door. It does not escape me that the club was very keen on landing Kennedy and Melksham. This implies they offer something needed those other two did not. Toumpas and Howe were the kind to lay down when the going got tough and hepled drag down the team with them. With luck we may be able to snare another decent trade and good draft picks.

I'm definitely in the "don't know what the fuss is about" camp.

When it comes to the trade table, the emotional investment we've all made in Toumpas and Howe has zero currency.

The life of the lowly football supporter: you bleed for your club and players, even when in reality, they just aren't as good as what you keep believing they are.

AFL write up on Kennedy;

What is he good at? His pace is his best asset. Can burn off opponents with his run.

What does he need to work on? There are issues with his kicking. Considering his small stature, Kennedy needs to be using the ball well when he gets it but he can lack penetration and miss targets.

But we already have a Matt Jones...

So that means we have officially blown our ability to get pick 8.

Well done MFC!!

What we need to remember is that Toumpas was a Neeld pick. He was the bloke who was keenest on him, so it's not surprising how it turned out.

Our recruiting team was very keen on Kennedy to the point that, had Toumpas gone to GWS, we would have taken him at 4 that year. We've seen them make some excellent drafting decisions over the last few years, so if they believed he was that good then I'm more than willing to get behind it.

Wow. So what you are saying is that our current recruiting team rated Kennedy higher that Wines? Or are you saying Neeld's recruiting team would have taken Kennedy if JT was picked up by GWS? Extraordinary.

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Dees fans need to look at it this way. Essentially swapped Toumpas for Kennedy. Points value of 29+50 equals pick 20 for Howe.

Kennedy for Toumpas and Howe for Melksham. Sounds about right.

Yeah, this is where my head is at.

Kennedy is more of a chance to play a role than Toumpas and Melksham can actually play the desired HBF role that Howe cannot.

I didn't want them traded out 'just to churn the list' with more draft picks and they haven't - we have got targeted some players and got them.

Wow. So what you are saying is that our current recruiting team rated Kennedy higher that Wines? Or are you saying Neeld's recruiting team would have taken Kennedy if JT was picked up by GWS? Extraordinary.

Well worked out Sherlock. That's exactly what I said.

Our recruiting team was very keen on Kennedy to the point that, had Toumpas gone to GWS, we would have taken him at 4 that year.

Haha what [censored]

So that means we have officially blown our ability to get pick 8.

Well done MFC!!

You're assuming Mahoney is even aware it's an option.

We didn't even wait until day 6 to get a lower second rounder for Melksham.

Well I'm done venting. Carry on Dees.

Haha what [censored]

And you know better, do you? Jog on.

Yeah, this is where my head is at.

Kennedy is more of a chance to play a role than Toumpas and Melksham can actually play the desired HBF role that Howe cannot.

I didn't want them traded out 'just to churn the list' with more draft picks and they haven't - we have got targeted some players and got them.

You're in the bargaining stage, I'm still in anger.

Brett Anderson needs to look at it this way. Nobody cares about the stupid points unless you have a father/son or academy player.

And you know better, do you? Jog on.

If you seriously think we would have drafted Kennedy at 4 over Wines, Stringer or Macrae then you're either an idiot or deliberately talking [censored] to try and placate the masses.