On 30/09/2015 at 23:43, Ethan Tremblay said:

Too late, I emailed the club. I used a legal dictionary.

  On 01/10/2015 at 00:01, Clint Bizkit said:

Riley's been delisted while Michie and Newton are still very much on the fringe at this stage.

I don't disagree, both players are on the fringe, but I think people on here are really down on both of these players simply because they haven't come in and starred. Whilst I admit they haven't had the initial impact I would have hoped, I think Michie has started to settle and play the role the footy department needs him to and Newton will be all the better after another year settling into the club, his role and the gameplan.

Riley couldn't win enough of the ball, nor be the damaging player we needed him to be. Michie and Newton are very much in the frame of being potentially solid contributors.

  On 01/10/2015 at 00:01, Clint Bizkit said:

Riley's been delisted while Michie and Newton are still very much on the fringe at this stage.

So one delisting of a depth player that cost us nothing, and two guys that aren't bad at all and played some good footy for us

What about Vince, Tyson and Garlett?

We have had a very good strike rate with recruiting in the Roos era so far

Edited October 1, 20159 yr by hogans_heroes

  On 30/09/2015 at 23:43, Ethan Tremblay said:

Too late, I emailed the club. I used a legal dictionary.

Is it any good? I use gmail.

boom tish!

Thanks I've been Mandee I'm here until I receive a pardon.

  On 01/10/2015 at 00:05, Ethan Tremblay said:

They did, reply below.

Dear Ethan,

Thank you for your email, your legal knowledge is clearly second to none. We were unaware Melksham played for Essendon and may possibly be suspended if found guilty at the conclusion of the WADA v EFC trial. We will reassess. Do you think Dangerfield would come to us?

All the best

Roosy.

Lucky you emailed them, dodged THAT bullet!

  On 01/10/2015 at 00:01, Clint Bizkit said:

Riley's been delisted while Michie and Newton are still very much on the fringe at this stage.

Michie and Newton were brought in to add depth and play their role when given the opportunity which they have both done so far. Michie was averaging 20 disposals in his last 5 games and Josh Mahoney has been on record to say that he is far too good for VFL. While Newton has showed glimpse what he is capable of in his last game. 11 goals in 11 games is a decent effort first up and i could see him building from here. Could play that half forward role bit like Cripps from West Coast.

Whats funny is you didn't bother to mention Roosy bringing in Vince Garlett Cross and Tyson who have all been successful.

Edited October 1, 20159 yr by dazzledavey36

  On 01/10/2015 at 01:36, dazzledavey36 said:

Michie and Newton were brought in to add depth and play their role when given the opportunity which they have both done so far. Michie was averaging 20 disposals in his last 5 games and Josh Mahoney has been on record to say that he is far too good for VFL. While Newton has showed glimpse what he is capable of in his last game. 11 goals in 11 games is a decent effort first up and i could see him building from here. Could play that half forward role bit like Cripps from West Coast.

Whats funny is you didn't bother to mention Roosy bringing in Vince Garlett Cross and Tyson who have all been successful.

For depth players Newton is an above average ball user and a decent enough ball winner. Michie is an above average ball winner and a decent enough user. But both of them have below average speed and endurance. Both are now 23. It's crunch time this preseason for them and if they have that Daniel Cross desire to give it all they might surprise us next year. If they don't then they'll be decent enough depth.

  On 01/10/2015 at 02:41, Georgiou R.R. Martin said:

For depth players Newton is an above average ball user and a decent enough ball winner. Michie is an above average ball winner and a decent enough user. But both of them have below average speed and endurance. Both are now 23. It's crunch time this preseason for them and if they have that Daniel Cross desire to give it all they might surprise us next year. If they don't then they'll be decent enough depth.

Newton kicked 11 goals from 11 games, which is pretty good for predominantly a half forward in our team. I'd like to see him play half forward or half back, with the very occasional spell as a midfielder. I actually think that both Newton and Michie are good depth players, and Newton is borderline best 22.

  On 01/10/2015 at 01:36, dazzledavey36 said:

Whats funny is you didn't bother to mention Roosy bringing in Vince Garlett Cross and Tyson who have all been successful.

Because they were all proven performers (Tyson would have been if not injured at GWS) at their previous clubs.

If we take Melksham with our 2nd round pick a lot of fans will be disappointed, he would need to perform near to that of Bernie who we got with our 2nd rounder two years ago, I really doubt Melksham can perform to that level though.

  On 01/10/2015 at 05:07, Powell said:

If we take Melksham with our 2nd round pick a lot of fans will be disappointed, he would need to perform near to that of Bernie who we got with our 2nd rounder two years ago, I really doubt Melksham can perform to that level though.

It would have to be the 2nd pick in next years draft with a WADA rider.

I wonder if the WADA situation is one of the factors behind a 4-year deal - which becomes, effectively, a 3-year deal.

OK, we're probably one player down next year, but having the likes of McKenzie etc. on our list has left us one player down in any case.

  On 01/10/2015 at 06:31, bing181 said:

I wonder if the WADA situation is one of the factors behind a 4-year deal - which becomes, effectively, a 3-year deal.

OK, we're probably one player down next year, but having the likes of McKenzie etc. on our list has left us one player down in any case.

Did it occur to anyone that he may just not be one of the 34 players? Does anybody know for sure? In any event I am sure that the MFC and other Clubs dealing with Essendon players will have pretty creative escape clauses.

  On 30/09/2015 at 22:51, AzzKikA said:

Can someone with a little bit of legal knowledge email the club about this, it really concerns me that we would be thinking about recruiting a player, for a second round pick mind you, that has this WADA crap hanging over his head. It just isn't good business management. Would we be looking at recruiting someone that is awaiting his jail sentence? I dont care who the payer is. Unless we know what the penalty will be we should not even contemplate this deal.

Do you seriously think that they haven't thought of this.....delved into the ins and outs, and the maybes?

A contingency must be written in to any contract he is offered, along the lines of WADA no play, no pay, and possibly no stay.

I am looking forward to hearing what is offered and what is written - as much as we will be told.

But it cam sure that would appreciate your input and pointing out these obscure possible problems to them.

  On 01/10/2015 at 06:40, CBDees said:

Did it occur to anyone that he may just not be one of the 34 players? Does anybody know for sure? In any event I am sure that the MFC and other Clubs dealing with Essendon players will have pretty creative escape clauses.

How are you sure?

The union has rules against such clauses.

  On 01/10/2015 at 06:40, CBDees said:

Did it occur to anyone that he may just not be one of the 34 players? Does anybody know for sure?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-names-of-the-34-essendon-players-have-been-released-then-removed-by-the-court-of-arbitration-for-sport/story-fni5f6kv-1227352382547?sv=975afb5f9267749f2fea0ab35af04501

"Jake Melksham"

  On 01/10/2015 at 06:31, bing181 said:

I wonder if the WADA situation is one of the factors behind a 4-year deal - which becomes, effectively, a 3-year deal.

OK, we're probably one player down next year, but having the likes of McKenzie etc. on our list has left us one player down in any case.

That would be a horrible move if true.

Take with grain of salt, but for discussion purposes:

From BF:

"Confirmed: Essendon 3rd round selection with jake for the Demons second round selection. Will be done in the first hour of trade week."

  On 01/10/2015 at 06:45, monoccular said:

Do you seriously think that they haven't thought of this.....delved into the ins and outs, and the maybes?

A contingency must be written in to any contract he is offered, along the lines of WADA no play, no pay, and possibly no stay.

I am looking forward to hearing what is offered and what is written - as much as we will be told.

But it cam sure that would appreciate your input and pointing out these obscure possible problems to them.

Mono you are kidding yourself.

Why on earth would any player agree to that clause and as I said earlier the union has rules against such clauses.

If he is one of the 34 then the MFC ( or any club ) takes their chances in recruiting him.

  On 01/10/2015 at 06:48, bing181 said:

Take with grain of salt, but for discussion purposes:

From BF:

"Confirmed: Essendon 3rd round selection with jake for the Demons second round selection. Will be done in the first hour of trade week."

Thats a good deal for us , we bag pick 40 or thereabouts for free. Doubt its true though

  On 01/10/2015 at 06:47, bing181 said:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-names-of-the-34-essendon-players-have-been-released-then-removed-by-the-court-of-arbitration-for-sport/story-fni5f6kv-1227352382547?sv=975afb5f9267749f2fea0ab35af04501

"Jake Melksham"

Just checked Essendrug web site.

Deputed in 2010 so well and truly there for the " don't know what we took but it was not illegal"

  On 01/10/2015 at 06:48, bing181 said:

Take with grain of salt, but for discussion purposes:

From BF:

"Confirmed: Essendon 3rd round selection with jake for the Demons second round selection. Will be done in the first hour of trade week."

Given Essendon's propensity to fail to keep records and other such stuff there must be a real chance there'll be confusion in their paperwork we'll end up with Carlisle instead of Melksham.

If we get Jake for a second round pick and trade Toump to Port for their second round pick, it is essentially Melksham for Toumpas.

  On 01/10/2015 at 06:48, bing181 said:

Take with grain of salt, but for discussion purposes:

From BF:

"Confirmed: Essendon 3rd round selection with jake for the Demons second round selection. Will be done in the first hour of trade week."

I hope that's not true, pick 40 in a really shallow draft doesn't make the fact we are giving up our second round pick for Melksham any better.

  On 01/10/2015 at 07:31, Powell said:

I hope that's not true, pick 40 in a really shallow draft doesn't make the fact we are giving up our second round pick for Melksham any better.

Yeah I tend to agree. The consensus is that outside of the top 25, there really isn't much at all. Melksham isn't much of a player, it is a bad deal. It is a bad deal even before taking WADA repercussions into account. I highly doubt that trade gets confirmed early in trade week.