Where do you think we would be if we stuck with Bailey but made all the front office/personnel (Misson/Jackson/Bartlett) changes that we have to this day?

I think the Bulldogs are pretty much doing what Bailey was trying to do, only 4 years later.

I often wonder what would have happened if the club stuck to their guns by getting rid of Schwab instead of Bailey.

Where do you think we would be if we stuck with Bailey but made all the front office/personnel (Misson/Jackson/Bartlett) changes that we have to this day?

I think the Bulldogs are pretty much doing what Bailey was trying to do, only 4 years later.

I often wonder what would have happened if the club stuck to their guns by getting rid of Schwabb instead of Bailey.

I'm sure they got rid of the wrong man...and a lot of the undermining in the media came from CS man Lyon.

Where do you think we would be if we stuck with Bailey but made all the front office/personnel (Misson/Jackson/Bartlett) changes that we have to this day?

I think the Bulldogs are pretty much doing what Bailey was trying to do, only 4 years later.

I often wonder what would have happened if the club stuck to their guns by getting rid of Schwabb instead of Bailey.

In a hell of lot better place than we are now.

Counterfactual history- is there any point to it?

I loved Bailey we were playing some exciting footy that was actually worth going to the footy. We had some big wins that i enjoyed and some heavy losses. But with a young side you expect those losses.

Its no coincidence that Trengove Grimes Gysberts Jurrah Frawley were playing career best football under him.

Even to this day after the Daniher era Bailey was the next best coach we had.

On james mcdonald sacking Bailey wanted him to stay for another year and thats why the 1 year deal was offered only for Connelly and Schwab to back flip and pull out. Bailey and Jnr were filthy with Cam and Chris and this what ramped up an already brewing fued.

Edited August 28, 201510 yr by dazzledavey36

Where do you think we would be if we stuck with Bailey but made all the front office/personnel (Misson/Jackson/Bartlett) changes that we have to this day?

I think the Bulldogs are pretty much doing what Bailey was trying to do, only 4 years later.

I often wonder what would have happened if the club stuck to their guns by getting rid of Schwabb instead of Bailey.

There's no way the AFL would have parachuted Jackson in unless we were as deplorable as we were.

I liked Dean Bailey.. He at least we took the game on and we kicked goals when he was coach. We were watchable and played some exciting footy.

Only reason he was sacked was because of the pathetic 'leaders' we had at the club at the time who were responsible for 186 and the rotten culture we are still trying to fix.

I'm starting to get a bit tired of hypotheticals regards this footy club.

I hope winning regularly puts an end to it.

Counterfactual history- is there any point to it?

Well that's certainly killed that discussion!

Counterfactual history- is there any point to it?

Thanks for the contribution grazman.

No there isn't really a point to it. But there isn't really a point to anybody commenting on or choosing their ins and outs each week either because we aren't part of the selection committee but it still happens.

Not sure why people on here are so happy to chime in with opinions that don't contribute to discussions in any way. If you don't like the thread, don't click on it, and certainly don't feel the need to post something.

After 186 Sadly Bails had to go. What could you say to a bunch of players after that non performance?

But Schwab should have been sitting at the same press conference

For him to be at the helm another 18 months after 186 makes me very angry

He coached us to a 31 goal loss, end of story

Bailey?

I think he had his good points and bad. Defensive game needed a lot of work, Offensively he was ahead of his time.

I remember watching "On the Couch", Roos was scathing with his criticism of Bailey claiming he was not keeping up with the then current trend which was very defensive. Bailey created a game plan which suited the list at his disposal which happened to be similar to the one Clarkson adopted.

They were both colleagues at Port Adelaide at some stage I believe.

I've always thought that the best offensive team I've seen were the 1989 Geelong side.

The best defensive side were the 2009 Saints.

If they squared off against each other in a Grand Final....what philosophy would win?

Blight / Bailey 's offence vs. Lyon / Neeld / Roos defence?

Just goes to show that you cannot be entrenched in one philosophy but have to be masters of both and there is the issue.

You need a game plan that is both offensive / defensive at the same time (eg. Clarkson's Cluster / Spatial Zoning @ West Coast).

We are getting there with a possession based defence established with a semi-slingshot / run and carry offence.

Issue is the two way gut running required won't be there for at least 2 years with the current squad.

Edited August 28, 201510 yr by 13thFlagIsComing

Coached a team that played the best single game of footy I have seen for a long, long time, especially in red and blue colours.

Problem with our recruiting was that he went for mostly outside midfielders with our top picks, that could run all day, and were fairly quick too. He didn't specifically target the inside grunt to get the ball out to these runners, and the ones he did pick up were no good.

Ironically, the team we beat in my opening paragraph were one of the better contested teams going around.

I think Bails was a pretty good coach, and had the players chosen to make the same statement in a different way at Geelong, we will never know what could've been.

After 186 Sadly Bails had to go. What could you say to a bunch of players after that non performance?

But Schwab should have been sitting at the same press conference

For him to be at the helm another 18 months after 186 makes me very angry

Either both had to go or just Schwab had to go. But either way Schwab had to go. Gary lyon was a brilliant player and deserves to e a club legend but his off field input has really hurt us. FIrst he talked jimmy out of sacking both together and then he hired Neeld on the word of Malthouse. Which all lead to the darkest chapter in this clubs history. In hindsight now, Bailey was ahead of his time and we have only been able to dream of his moderate success since. What a crap time to follow this club.

After 186 Sadly Bails had to go. What could you say to a bunch of players after that non performance?

But Schwab should have been sitting at the same press conference

For him to be at the helm another 18 months after 186 makes me very angry

I think the damage had been done before that 'SWYL', but the players did him no favours at Geelong.

Either both had to go or just Schwab had to go. But either way Schwab had to go. Gary lyon was a brilliant player and deserves to e a club legend but his off field input has really hurt us. FIrst he talked jimmy out of sacking both together and then he hired Neeld on the word of Malthouse. Which all lead to the darkest chapter in this clubs history. In hindsight now, Bailey was ahead of his time and we have only been able to dream of his moderate success since. What a crap time to follow this club.

The Board, Lyon & Schwab have a lot to answer for.

Either both had to go or just Schwab had to go. But either way Schwab had to go. Gary lyon was a brilliant player and deserves to e a club legend but his off field input has really hurt us. FIrst he talked jimmy out of sacking both together and then he hired Neeld on the word of Malthouse. Which all lead to the darkest chapter in this clubs history. In hindsight now, Bailey was ahead of his time and we have only been able to dream of his moderate success since. What a crap time to follow this club.

I wish i could find the interview Mike Shehan did with Brad Green in the days before 186. On the couch i think

It was a volcano waiting to erupt. Mike Shehan knew it So did Greeny, but he couldn't say a lot.

I wish it was still online. Seems to have disappeared...

I think the damage had been done before that 'SWYL', but the players did him no favours at Geelong.

The damage started earlier for sure. When Schwab realized his grand plan was a complete fail. He went into damage control.

But the situation blew up at Kardinia Park and the problem kept his job...

I wish i could find the interview Mike Shehan did with Brad Green in the days before 186. On the couch i think

It was a volcano waiting to erupt. Mike Shehan knew it So did Greeny, but he couldn't say a lot.

I wish it was still online. Seems to have disappeared...

Here's the fox sports article post interview, the attached video is dead.

Here's the fox sports article post interview, the attached video is dead.

no link showing mate..

Here's the fox sports article post interview, the attached video is dead.

Where? No link.

Some interesting comments in this thread about Bailey's game plan suiting the players at his disposal, and having a game plan that was ahead of its time.

Contrast that to Roos who employs a game plan blatantly unsuited to his list, and one which seems to be from a bygone era.

As others have said, our good days in 2010 were the best of any time in the past decade. They seem a long time ago now.