Cripps can shake a tag. Jones can't.

Has it occurred to anyone that jones may just not be that good?

He looked good in Neeld era but [censored], any half decent player in the middle would look okay next to the rest of the [censored] we had running in the midfield with Molony, Sylvia, Magner, Bate ect

Cripps can shake a tag. Jones can't.

Has it occurred to anyone that jones may just not be that good?

He looked good in Neeld era but [censored], any half decent player in the middle would look okay next to the rest of the [censored] we had running in the midfield with Molony, Sylvia, Magner, Bate ect

and how many games has Cripps played?.....

Cripps can shake a tag. Jones can't.

Has it occurred to anyone that jones may just not be that good?

He looked good in Neeld era but [censored], any half decent player in the middle would look okay next to the rest of the [censored] we had running in the midfield with Molony, Sylvia, Magner, Bate ect

He goes through the motions and always has. Best player for 8 years by a mile yet struggled to crack top 100 in AFL. Has fumbled the leadership this year at a time when we needed him to take his game to another level. I think this year shows he's just not all that good. He was the air freshner in a shitty, dirty toilet.

How was McDonald pathetic today? Plus he's only 22, surely he's excused out of that group.

I'm worried about Cross' form too. Fallen off the pace lately. I couldn't believe how many marks he dropped too, did he oil himself too much?

I'd go into 2016 without Garland, Howe, Lumumba, Cross, Dawes or Grimes in my plans, and I'd be wary on Dunn.

I agree. I think Dunn and Garland's positions have to be examined over the offseason or at least our defensive setup. We're just not getting good enough performances 1-on-1

Leadership when did we last have enough of it? Even when we were motoring along in the early 2000's we lacked real leadership. We had Neitz and that was about it. The Ox earlier perhaps and then Junior but it has always been in short supply. Leadership needs time to develop and we are still paying the price of the recruiting from 2004 onward. We should always be looking at leadership qualities in all recruits but especially first rounders and we just ignored that variable year after year at the draft. I could forgive that if we had targeted some other exceptional gift but as we know we largely have no idea what special attributes many of our first rounders had. Jurrah was an exceptional talent and a risk but he was a very late pick.

Hopefully we have leadership qualities in Hogan and Brayshaw and perhaps a couple of other kids but they will take time. And let's hope we can keep them long enough.

Bottle Cross and inject it as a 'programme '(you Heard me )

Into all new recruits

Our only hope

How was McDonald pathetic today? Plus he's only 22, surely he's excused out of that group.

I'm worried about Cross' form too. Fallen off the pace lately. I couldn't believe how many marks he dropped too, did he oil himself too much?

I rate Dunn. Always feel safe when he has ball in hand and saves many goals for us. His a champion

I agree. I think Dunn and Garland's positions have to be examined over the offseason or at least our defensive setup. We're just not getting good enough performances 1-on-1

The trouble is that if you take Jones and Vince out of the game there is nothing left. We sorely miss Vanders and Tyson who give some grunt around the ball and demand attention from the oppositions mids.

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Jones Vince Dawes Mcdonald Howe Garland hang your heads in absolute shame! When we needed you guys to stand up you were pathetic!

Kudos to the younger players in Michie Stretch Brayshaw ANB Salem Newton who showed desperation atleast wanted it.

Salem was hopeless (and I love him as a player), but how brilliant was Brayshaw bursting through that pack in the third or fourth and getting the ball on to a team mate, who then proceeded to drop it and get tackled.

Really like ANB as a player and Stretch gets into some good positions and has a bit of toe, which we obviously desperately need. As for Newton, he fails to run both ways.

Cross might be slowing but he is the only leader who puts in every week and doesn't drop his head.

Jones, if injured, is doing himself and the team a massive disservice.

Vince got ahead of himself and done nothing for a month.

Dunn in has always been damn ordinary and that he is our vice captain is laughable.

This club is going nowhere fast.

Tom McDonald looks a broken men. Another gun young player who will walk out on this club and who can blame him. Him and Hogan will leave and take Brayshaw and Salem with them.

Love Crossy, but he was horrible today. I don't remember many if any effective touches. He turned it over constantly and made poor decisions, the latter of which is very unusual for him.

I'm not against red legs suggestion of floating jones on trade table. Since signing his lucrative contract he has gone backwards.

He's very much loved amongst the playing group. I'd be very careful with a trade like that. I just think he shouldn't be captain. Unfortunately, at the moment, we've no one better.

We have no leadership on field, there is our problem and has been for a long long long long time.

IMO, it's the root of our problems and failure as a club to climb the ladder past 12th position. Look at every other club in the AFL (and I mean every other club) and they have leaders, experienced players who lead the way. We simply don't.

Jones gets desperate for touches when he is tagged and forgets about the team as a whole.

Yep. Spot on, I'm afraid.

The trouble is that if you take Jones and Vince out of the game there is nothing left. We sorely miss Vanders and Tyson who give some grunt around the ball and demand attention from the oppositions mids.

Put anyone in the midfield they should rack up possessions. Even JKH racks them up when he is in the midfield as seen in VFL. These fringe players just look bad at AFL as they are given second tier roles like pocket n flanks.

You will find if played in the midfield at AFL level some would surprised

Jones Vince Dawes Mcdonald Howe Garland hang your heads in absolute shame! When we needed you guys to stand up you were pathetic!

Kudos to the younger players in Michie Stretch Brayshaw ANB Salem Newton who showed desperation atleast wanted it.

Newton??? Newton??????

Did you not see the only goal Carlton kicked in the last quarter?

Newton didn't even get any body on Cripps.. There was absolutely no desperation.. None..

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The stats indicate our Midfield got slaughtered.

Then why blame it on Dunn Grimes And TMac. Bit hard to put the torch on them when it was coming lace out into their area.

We always seem to struggle when sides move the ball quickly which exposes our inability to run both ways.

If Tommy Mac, Jack Grimes and Lyndon Dunn are our worst, then I woul think we need to start looking at a few other areas.

Our forwards would have killled for the delivery that Carlton supplied in the first half.

Angus is tired, it has been a long season , but has heart. Roosy said last week he is playing in an unnatural position for him. Get another pre season under his belt and we will see a genuine Potential A Grader.

Salem, ANB & Billy the kid , and JKN are all kids with potential . Be poistive ( I know it is hard after aday like today or a month like this.)

Fish Rots At The Top

The Leadership group must be cleaned out and FULLY replaced. If not nothing will change whoever the coaches are...

The stats indicate our Midfield got slaughtered.

huh?

Won inside 50s 53-40

Won clearances 35-32

Won 2 quarters

Had 2 more scoring shots

We had more scoring shots and lost by 4 [censored] goals. We are hopeless! It's shades of the embarrassing Essendon loss all over again.

huh?

Won inside 50s 53-40

Won clearances 35-32

Won 2 quarters

Had 2 more scoring shots

yeah i saw those stats too

but, curry, are you telling me my eyes deceive me?

while you are on the stats look at our midfield leaders' stats - probably worst for the year and in the easiest place to get possessions

no need to mention names

Edited August 23, 201510 yr by daisycutter

huh?

Won inside 50s 53-40

Won clearances 35-32

Won 2 quarters

Had 2 more scoring shots

Could not kick more than 7 goals against the bottom side.

Got beaten again by a terrible side.

Cannot hit targets by hand or foot.

Lost the only statt that matters.

TMac working in the ruck worked today later in the game. He is very versatile, but I think he is equally as good as in defence.

Michie played a really solid game and I thought the showed a lot today, particularly in the first half! Would love to see more of this!! :)

Could not kick more than 7 goals against the bottom side.

Got beaten again by a terrible side.

Cannot hit targets by hand or foot.

Lost the only statt that matters.

dimmy said stats indicate the midfield was beaten

clearly that wasn't the issue but that the Blues managed a goal per 3.3 entries vs our 7.6 entries

our defenders were disgusting today and the forwards did nothing

yeah i saw those stats too

but, curry, are you telling me my eyes deceive me?

while you are on the stats look at our midfield leaders' stats - probably worst for the year and in the easiest place to get possessions

no need to mention names

who got all those inside 50s and clearances then?

that is the most disgusting game of footy ive seen melb play , just lazy [censored] and im pisssed off so anggry grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr weak as [censored]

The fact that Dunn is our vice captain says it all really.

The fact that Dunn is our vice captain says it all really.

Dunn is a champion and one of the few players I am confident with ball in hand. Last line of defence and saves countless goals and does minimal clangers and turnovers.

Dunn is a champion and one of the few players I am confident with ball in hand. Last line of defence and saves countless goals and does minimal clangers and turnovers.

A Champion?

Dunn is a champion and one of the few players I am confident with ball in hand. Last line of defence and saves countless goals and does minimal clangers and turnovers.

Lol. Champion? That's more like the olisik I know.