The Diet

[jumbo returns 6,741]

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Can someone please post an example of what a 7 day diet might look like, please?

I wanna get my six pack back, rather than carting around a keg from too many six packs...

Much obliged.

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

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Can someone please post an example of what a 7 day diet might look like, please?

I wanna get my six pack back, rather than carting around a keg from too many six packs...

Much obliged.

A diet is only as good as your will to stick to it. Look into intermittent fasting- it's based more around your schedule of eating and not so much what you eat. It actually eliminates pesky food prep and has many studied benefits. I have done it and first thing you notice is you never feel hungry which is a weird but great sensation.

[Melbman2 226]

Anyone who's ever played footy will tell you a game of footy requires a bucket load of energy. Running 15km with all the other movements, copping big hits etc.

So I'd prefer to fuel my body with some carbs before a game to have that quick and easy energy on hand. From a very simplistic view I don't want to be playing footy and at the same time having my body converting fats to energy, one thing is enough!

I get that processed grains can be unhealthy and Western society has gone too far with them. But at the same time I'd be surprised if fruit is evil!

I also don't want our players chomping on fats all day and not getting enough fibre. Obviously making good choices with veggies there is key.

I'm glad we are being innovative. But I hope we aren't pushing the line too far with something that may be experimental.

This doctor we have (Dr Zee) did come to us via the same clinic as Dr Bates who had us going down the Dank path.

His resume is also light on compared to the experienced sports medicine doctors we have had in the past.

I like your post.

Also, just on the fruit thang, plenty of examples of fruit being the perfect fuel. Try Mike Arnstein. 100 mile race winner. fastest American over the distance, is a fruit guy. http://www.thefruitarian.com/

I tried it but it is psychologically tough to live on raw. Lasted only 5 months before cravings got the better of me ;-)

[jumbo returns 6,741]

A diet is only as good as your will to stick to it. Look into intermittent fasting- it's based more around your schedule of eating and not so much what you eat. It actually eliminates pesky food prep and has many studied benefits. I have done it and first thing you notice is you never feel hungry which is a weird but great sensation.

Thanks SD...I'll look into it.

Next year I want to try the 5/2 diet, but at the moment, I'm into my own Xmas preseason

Seriously though, you're right, I'll research.

[Ryan Dee 140]

Dear god, some of the uneducated crap in here is horrific.

There is only one rule when it comes to these sort of things, READ THE LITERATURE.

So many people on here are speaking and researching on such a basic level, that it is pointless information. Also, one or two examples (for or against), does not count as evidence.

[jumbo returns 6,741]

Dear god, some of the uneducated crap in here is horrific.

There is only one rule when it comes to these sort of things, READ THE LITERATURE.

So many people on here are speaking and researching on such a basic level, that it is pointless information. Also, one or two examples (for or against), does not count as evidence.

Is there potential for the literature to be subjective and inaccurate? Questionable sources?

I like the old Italian saying '.....everything in moderation'

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

Thanks SD...I'll look into it.

Next year I want to try the 5/2 diet, but at the moment, I'm into my own Xmas preseason

Seriously though, you're right, I'll research.

I stumbled across these guys on YouTube called the Hodge Twins- they currently do it and are proof that it works while they provide basic information laid out in layman's terms. Of course google is your friend here too.

I've tried it and as long as you don't go over your allotted calories for the day it is extremely effective and a lot easier to stick to than any fad diets. I read one of the UFC fighters do it too (Rhonda Rowdy?) she is a champion of her division, there are also scientific studies done into it and none have any bad things to say about it. For obvious reasons some food companies, specifically breakfast based food companies do not like it

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

Is there potential for the literature to be subjective and inaccurate? Questionable sources?

I like the old Italian saying '.....everything in moderation'

Absolutely! The whole dairy industry is a farce and they pay for their own "scientists" to skew research in a deceitful way.

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

I stumbled across these guys on YouTube called the Hodge Twins- they currently do it and are proof that it works while they provide basic information laid out in layman's terms. Of course google is your friend here too.

I've tried it and as long as you don't go over your allotted calories for the day it is extremely effective and a lot easier to stick to than any fad diets. I read one of the UFC fighters do it too (Rhonda Rowdy?) she is a champion of her division, there are also scientific studies done into it and none have any bad things to say about it. For obvious reasons some food companies, specifically breakfast based food companies do not like it

Yeah Ronda Rousey is on paleo diet, as are many other fighters, as is Gary Ablett junior. Paleo is also widespread amongst the CrossFit community who, say what you like about it, produce some seriously phenomenal athletes. In theory, our footballers should be as energised, through carbo hit from bananas, green vegetables etc and stronger (protein hit from the unprocessed meats) whilst being leaner through not eating processed carbs and toxins which store on the body. End result is players that can do more work, quicker for longer.

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

She's on IF- she only eats once a day. Unless that's changed since I read it.

[Lucifers Hero 40,364]

Can't find where I read it but I recall that the way the Dees are doing this diet thing is to follow a low-carb (note it is not no-carb) diet most of the time as the high protein helps build/keep muscle mass.

However, the players would eat up on carbs before a game to give them the energy to play it out. This would be a small but significant difference to the typical low/no-carb diet. It times the carb intake to when the players need the energy.

I just hope that they don't lose so much weight that it affects their body mass and strength.

[jackaub 1,402]

Can't find where I read it but I recall that the way the Dees are doing this diet thing is to follow a low-carb (note it is not no-carb) diet most of the time as the high protein helps build/keep muscle mass.

However, the players would eat up on carbs before a game to give them the energy to play it out. This would be a small but significant difference to the typical low/no-carb diet. It times the carb intake to when the players need the energy.

I just hope that they don't lose so much weight that it affects their body mass and strength.

Some JW ,JGand Salem cannot afford to lose any weight and need extra strength I hope they are being carefull in executing this diet

I am sure that the players have a very good dietary regime now and probably are just tweaking it

[Chook 15,022]

Discussing diet is a bit like discussing politics or sexuality, so I think I'll stay out of this one. Suffice it to say I do it, and it works for me.

[monoccular 17,574]

Discussing diet is a bit like discussing politics or sexuality, so I think I'll stay out of this one. Suffice it to say I do it, and it works for me.

sex or politics ?

And I have absolutely no idea if this diet is a fad or if it will improve our team's performance, and I doubt if anybody really does know. Time will tell. But at least we aren't trying out unproven and unregistered drugs on our players.

Edited November 25, 2014 by monoccular

[Ethan Tremblay 30,967]

It worked for him.

He looks no where near as funny anymore..

Slight resemblance to me as well..

Edited November 25, 2014 by Ethan Tremblay

[Dr. Gonzo 24,303]

Some JW ,JGand Salem cannot afford to lose any weight and need extra strength I hope they are being carefull in executing this diet

I am sure that the players have a very good dietary regime now and probably are just tweaking it

I wonder how Grimes is going considering he doesn't eat meat?

Surely just focusing on a balanced diet would be key which seems to be what this is based on. Cutting out processed/packaged foods and sticking to fruit, veg, legumes and meat shouldn't be too hard.

[dee-luded 2,959]

feed the man meat

[fox 1]

Is the person promoting this new "diet" promoting "high fat" the same person promoting "high carbohydrates" because he has sold all his books promoting the latter? Will he change back once all his "new" books are sold? How many "new diets" come with "scientific evidence"? Agree with somebody above - "will it make Mackenzie kick better", extrapolating that further will it improve team skills? Does Mission have a good record for fitness coaching given all the team injuries since he arrived?

"Just asking"

[Moonshadow 17,677]

Diet shmiet. Just win some more games.

[DemonFrog 1,356]

the good old Hollywood cocaine diet

works every time

Oh so he is a Meth Coast player then?

[Webber 10,538]

What are "rubbish" carbohydrates? and they're also not simple sugars, they actually incredibly important and can be quite complex. So please look up the extensive field of "glycomics" and you'll soon realize.

As for you're "simple sugars" you're thinking of monosaccharides like glucose (high in raw sugar, but also the prominent sugar in our blood stream), fructose (high source in fruit), and galactose (high source in dairy). Now because scientists coined them as "simple sugars" based on their simple chemical structures does this mean they're "rubbish" or bad?

The Paleo diet is a well marketed fad that tries to use complex scientific terms and theories to support their shallow and radical claims. The only merit it has is that it's drawn more attention to modern societies over-indulgence of sugars (predominantly raw sugar) in our foods and drinks, however it goes over the top as individuals try to "cut out" or drastically cut down on certain nutrients or "rubbish" "simple sugars" so it generates a statement and makes itself known.

My favorite example is their suggestion that the prehistoric evolving man went without and so we must revert back to those ways. What they fail to mention is that their lifestyle was far more active and their brains were far less developed, figuratively the size of a pea. So as our brains developed and became larger and more complex they've required more energy and what is the predominant energy that fuels our brains... that "simple sugar" glucose.

I think you're somewhat arguing my case, but there is no need in ANY diet for refined or processed 'sugars' of any kind, when we use fructose from fruit and many vegetables, and convert complex carbs into glycogen. 'Sugar' as it is provided in the modern diet, is utterly unnecessary, and at the levels the average person consumes it, harmful. There is likewise NO justification for the human consumption of galactose from cow's milk, or in fact the milk of any species other than our own, which is limited itself to post natal development. I agree the Paleo diet is faddish, but as with many diets that advocate the abolition of processed foods, it has merit in that alone. It's focus on heavy proportions of animal protein is the most troubling part of it, and the non consumption of legumes and pulses just stupid.

[Webber 10,538]

Depends.

If they are talking high meat content then nature provides plenty of examples where meat eaters have little endurance while their prey, the vegetarians can run and leap all day.

The China study, the largest study by a long shot of human nutrition, also comes to the conclusion that a vegetarian diet is more healthful and conducive to longevity. (plenty online bagging the China study but none that really debunks it)

Plenty of examples when people from high carbohydrate (plants as grown as opposed to processed carbs) low fat culture become ill and overweight when moving to a western country where they adopt the SAD diet. there are also examples where a twin has moved to a western diet while the other remained in their own country (low fat Japan I think was one example)

One positive of the paleo diet could be that by cutting out starchy foods like bread and potatoes, the meat consumed no longer ferments due to poor food combining and less energy is consumed in digestion. Plenty of evidence for people who don't drink getting cirrhosis of the liver which could be attributed to poor food combining. Just remember, there is no sandwich in nature (to borrow a quote). Meat is eaten with meat and fruit only with fruit.

I've experimented on myself with the above over 30 years with Pritikin diet (mainly an unprocessed cooked vego diet), food combining, raw low fat vegan and SAD all complete with blood tests and various athletic pursuits and have found that a high meat diet for me just does not work. It kills my energy, raises my cholesterol, bilirubins & uric acid resulting in bone density loss, psoriasis, worsening of osteo arthritis I developed from heavy lifting in primary school (things were different back then ;-).

Anyway, my eldest is a DR and its amazing that things Pritikin espoused 40 years ago are year by year becoming mainstream. (he had to argue in the 60's that his heart disease was not a genetic fault and that he must be able to reverse it which he did)

One thing I have found is that medical training is great at pointing out conditions and drug therapy required to "fix" but lousy at root cause analysis. Point in fact is diabetes. There have long been claims that fat in the blood stream prevents insulin from escorting sugar into the cells which is why they end up with high blood sugar. Ever noticed there are no natural foods that are high in fat AND sugar? Durian would be the closest but if eaten on its own causes no issues.

Anyway, just my 2¢ worth

And a good 2 cents it is. The China Study presents inconvenient truths from an epidemiological perspective, and is just too confronting for the larger meat fixated populus. It remains the definitive large scale study into diet and its relationship to disease and mortality, but peeps just don't want to listen, really. The taste allure of sugar and fat is a mighty power, and 'food' production companies will exploit it without mercy. The result is what we have now, with related diseases (diabetes etc) and pharmaceutical juggernauts to give symptomatic relief. Massive profitting off human frailty. So what else is new though?

[jackaub 1,402]

Why would our players be eating a sugar and processed carb diet any way as they are professional atheletes. Surely it is commmon common sence

Just more fluff about the DEES should not have been in the press

We look like fadists and followers again.

[Webber 10,538]

Why would our players be eating a sugar and processed carb diet any way as they are professional atheletes. Surely it is commmon common sence

Just more fluff about the DEES should not have been in the press

We look like fadists and followers again.

It was definitely a low news day! Won't do too much damage to our sparkling rep I'd say.

[Pipefitter 2,168]

Essendon are on this diet too. Only they are taking it intravenously.