On 25/08/2015 at 04:25, TGR said:

To claim that Roos is in it for the money, where he could have EASILY ASKED FOR A 6 YEAR DEAL at 1.5 m plus incentives, makes your ascertain (which is not unique to you) absolutely and utterly brainless and offensive.

Forken' hell.... the great TGR has spoken.

Sometimes I wonder how you can type while working yourself over.

You are right that he was quite happy hangin' out on the couch waffling his self satisfied BS with Sheehan.

He'd also just been told that the cruisy Swan academy gig that he had was drying up.

He might not have been destitute but make no mistake. We dragged him off that bloody couch by the wallet.

We backed the truck up and started unloading money at 'im till he said he'd do it.

He told us "the worse it sounded the more interested I got", what he really meant was the more money they offered, the more interested I got.

For you to say he took the job for the challenge or some other trumped up garbage is what's utterly brainless.

All he wants to do with us is his three years, if he was here for the challenge or some higher purpose that you suggest, he would've asked for that 6year deal.

He took the job for the cash grab, plain and greedy.

  On 25/08/2015 at 02:48, Curry & Beer said:

no need for a mountain, your point is utter tripe

so youre saying if you were happy we got Roosy, you have to remain happy and supportive of him even if he leaves this club with us on the bottom of the ladder

otherwise you are fairweathered, or something

yeah great point mate makes heaps of sense

No, the point is about how fickle people are and go from one extreme to the other depending the way the wind blows.

You don't do nuance too well. Red faced ranting is more your go.

  On 25/08/2015 at 05:43, Fork said:

Forken' hell.... the great TGR has spoken.

Sometimes I wonder how you can type while working yourself over.

You are right that he was quite happy hangin' out on the couch waffling his self satisfied BS with Sheehan.

He'd also just been told that the cruisy Swan academy gig that he had was drying up.

He might not have been destitute but make no mistake. We dragged him off that bloody couch by the wallet.

We backed the truck up and started unloading money at 'im till he said he'd do it.

He told us "the worse it sounded the more interested I got", what he really meant was the more money they offered, the more interested I got.

For you to say he took the job for the challenge or some other trumped up garbage is what's utterly brainless.

All he wants to do with us is his three years, if he was here for the challenge or whatever you think he's here for it would be for as long as it took.

He took the job for the cash grab, plain and greedy.

And that is your opinion. Personally i am glad he is here actually confronting the problem that has existed at this club since Norm was sacked.

We have always been told what a great club the MFC is. Well the reality is right now it is a pile of shite, that can be rebuilt off the back of those who play football. We pay them to represent the jumper and club.

Roos made a commitment and if we throw him out Nobody will come near this place again

You spend money to make money.....

  On 24/08/2015 at 22:27, Pig Dog said:

Goody will have a huge say in the End of season culling.

It won't stop at the players.

Midfield coach Matthews that took over from Goody mid season was a disaster.

McPherson as Forward coach you are joking.

Those two guys would coach the best players and turn them into duds.

I've also lost confidence in Rawlings.

I think there has been a total lack of communication between Roos and his assistants.

Rawlings is clearly doing a good enough job, given he's the only one that's been around since the last administration. Having said that, maybe it's time for a freshen up?

  On 25/08/2015 at 06:06, Sir Why You Little said:

And that is your opinion. Personally i am glad he is here actually confronting the problem that has existed at this club since Norm was sacked.

We have always been told what a great club the MFC is. Well the reality is right now it is a pile of shite, that can be rebuilt off the back of those who play football. We pay them to represent the jumper and club.

Roos made a commitment and if we throw him out Nobody will come near this place again

You spend money to make money.....

I have said it before.

If they sack Roos before the 3 years is up, then I'm out. I don't give a **** about the k***s who will say 'good riddance'. That would prove to me that the club isn't worth following anymore. It's not that I love Paul Roos or think he is above criticism. It's the fact that we are 2 years into a 'CLUB' rebuild in which he inherited the most pathetic, amateurish club in the league.

See what Essendon are going through now? That's where we were 2-3 years ago. Inept coaches, inept administrators and a playing list with deep holes in it (though they may not have a playing list next year).

We have gone from 2 to 4 to 6 wins and our percentage has improved again this year. No one is breaking out the champagne but the graph at least is ticking upwards though quite slowly.

After the Dean Bailey fiasco and seeing what happened for the next 2 years after it, some still want to 'hold people accountable' and restart again. Are you bloody kidding me? We have a plan for once and despite marginal improvement, we are going to let our precious egos get in the way and demand another clean out.

  On 24/08/2015 at 23:21, Lucifer said:

What Caro doesn't see is what the 'veil of negativity' (with varying degrees of 'infection'), looks like in the playing group, :

14 current players from the 186 era and Neeld's tenure: Mark Jamar, Lynden Dunn, Colin Garland, Nathan Jones, Rohan Bail,Jake Spencer, Jack Grimes, Jeremy Howe, Jordie McKenzie, Jack Trengove, Jack Watts, Max Gawn, Jack Fitzpatrick,Tom McDonald

Plus 8 current players for Neelds tenure: Jimmy Toumpas, Jesse Hogan, Cameron Pedersen, Matt Jones, Chris Dawes, Dean Terlich, Jack Viney, Dean Kent

That is 22 current players who learnt:

- they didn't need to fight for their spots,

- to play as individuals rather than do team things.

- it was ok to not follow coaching instructions,

- to pick and choose when to perform

- it is easier to give platitudes and 'feel disappointed' about losing than work your guts out to win.

I could keep going about the bad behaviours but you get the drift.

'Reprogramming' those bad behaviours must be like turning the Titanic.

TBH, I don't think there is a coach, CEO etc that can do it.

Roos has gone the 'reprogramming' route, It has not worked.

Now cutting out the cancerous 'veil of negativity' is the only way to go.

Of the 22 players above I could only count 7 that have shown they can really change.

We won't cull the other 15 but the worst offenders must go regardless of their position, seniority, salary or whatever.

They can not stay at the club if their bad behaviours/mindset have continued under Roos et al.

Otherwise the risk of contagion to our young brigade is too high.

Roos is an astute judge of players he will make the right calls.

I'd cut or trade 10 players out of the 22 this year. Jamar, Garland, Bail, Grimes, Howe, McKenzie, Toumpas, M Jones, Dawes and Terlich.

Next year, Spencer, Trengove and Fitzpatrick will be in the firing line and if Watts can't continue his upward trend, he will also be in trouble.

We have been a half way house, a stopover,a re-build,an up and comer etc for too long.

Just get rid of the last 7 or 8 honest hacks,get some speedy talent and have a crack!

Good things take time but this is ridiculous.

Roos will get his money and will not be sacked,nor quit.

Put Garland and Howe in the middle against Freo and expose their lack of guts and intent....

  On 25/08/2015 at 06:28, willmoy said:

Put Garland and Howe in the middle against Freo and expose their lack of guts and intent....

Garland...lack of guts?

Oh good grief. Brave as the day is long, as they say, and playing hurt.

  On 25/08/2015 at 07:03, pitmaster said:

Garland...lack of guts?

Oh good grief. Brave as the day is long, as they say, and playing hurt.

Evidence?

Wonder how many MFC fans would like to see an early handover to Goodwin for 2016? With Roos becoming director of coaching or another role

One things for sure, every Demon fan will be praying that Goody is an attacking coach

  On 25/08/2015 at 07:23, hogans_heroes said:

Wonder how many MFC fans would like to see an early handover to Goodwin for 2016? With Roos becoming director of coaching or another role

One things for sure, every Demon fan will be praying that Goody is an attacking coach

Every Demon fan will be hoping Goody can coach...

  On 25/08/2015 at 07:23, hogans_heroes said:

One things for sure, every Demon fan will be praying that Goody is an attacking coach

Doubt it.

Roos hand picked man who shares similar principals on game plan.

Chosen so the game plan and player selection won't need to be radically changed when he takes over as often happen when new coaches are introduced.

  On 25/08/2015 at 07:30, rjay said:

Every Demon fan will be hoping Goody can coach...

We should sack him now anyway.

  On 25/08/2015 at 07:30, rjay said:

Every Demon fan will be hoping Goody can coach...

Indeed.

And if Bolton does a stellar job at Carlton, every Melbourne supporter will wonder if we went early on the Goodwin decision.... and if Alistair Clarkson decides he's open to leaving Hawthorn next year every Melbourne supporter will slash their wrists.... and so continues to the never ending cycle of MCFSS

  On 25/08/2015 at 07:33, Jaded said:

Indeed.

And if Bolton does a stellar job at Carlton, every Melbourne supporter will wonder if we went early on the Goodwin decision.... and if Alistair Clarkson decides he's open to leaving Hawthorn next year every Melbourne supporter will slash their wrists.... and so continues to the never ending cycle of MCFSS

IF, if, if, if. No wonder we are all labelled keyboard warriors.

Put yours on the line now.

I say Bolton will fail unquestionably. He impressed me at the coaches conference, but he is assistant coach material full stop.

If MFC supporters are questioning Roos after 19 months, then I say good luck to Mr. Nitrous Oxide.

pTGR

  On 25/08/2015 at 07:37, TGR said:

Put yours on the line now.

I say Bolton will fail unquestionably... he is assistant coach material full stop.

Alright, T - because you asked so nicely...

Agree!

Fwiw.

  On 25/08/2015 at 07:33, Jaded said:

Indeed.

And if Bolton does a stellar job at Carlton, every Melbourne supporter will wonder if we went early on the Goodwin decision.... and if Alistair Clarkson decides he's open to leaving Hawthorn next year every Melbourne supporter will slash their wrists.... and so continues to the never ending cycle of MCFSS

Wasn't neeld held in the same regard with the pies back in 2011 as Bolton is now ?? a strong assistant coach from the reining premiers ...?

I'm still ok with roos / Goodwin transition, the trajectory is well up from 2013 (not even just on wins) he wasn't going to turn it around in 2 yrs but we still have some fundamental playing group issues that need to be faced into. Roosy will earn his keep if he can make some bold calls in the off season, I think everyone acknowledges that yr 3 can't just be another 2 wins on the prior year need to be genuinely challenging for 8th spot ...

  On 25/08/2015 at 07:23, hogans_heroes said:

Wonder how many MFC fans would like to see an early handover to Goodwin for 2016? With Roos becoming director of coaching or another role

One things for sure, every Demon fan will be praying that Goody is an attacking coach

No we have waited long enough for a quality coach so what's one more season.

Roos does actually know what he is doing its just we have had to wait 7 yrs to get him which is the problem.

  On 25/08/2015 at 07:37, TGR said:

IF, if, if, if. No wonder we are all labelled keyboard warriors.

Put yours on the line now.

I say Bolton will fail unquestionably. He impressed me at the coaches conference, but he is assistant coach material full stop.

If MFC supporters are questioning Roos after 19 months, then I say good luck to Mr. Nitrous Oxide.

pTGR

I was as impressed as you were with Bolton at that coaches conference - he made me wonder about how he would go at a club like Melbourne.

Frankly, I think he will struggle but because of the club he is at - like the MFC, Carlton has a culture unto its own and I don't think it fits with Bolton's enthusiastic, teacher-student, player empowerment style.

But we will see...

  On 25/08/2015 at 08:29, Delusional demon 82 said:

Wasn't neeld held in the same regard with the pies back in 2011 as Bolton is now ??

No.

Neeld was yet another in a long conga-line of yes-men that said "Yes sir" to the most autocratic coach in the history of the game in Mick Malthouse.

Think of all of them? Scott Watters, Neeldy, Guy McKenna, Laidley, Brad Scott (tick, tock), John Barker (unlucky), and the list goes on and on and on and on.

The only assistants that might get through, are the ones like Buckley and Richardson that said......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPqhYam2qrw

Malthouse never gave his assistants licence to think; unlike Roos and Clarkson. So don't just simply compare Bolton with Neeld.

This post is rubbish - the players are the problem. What a pathetic bunch of unaccountable misfits they are - 2 tackles in the first 20 minutes of "football" against Carlton.

For as long as Paul Roos has been at Melbourne, he has emphasised tackling, and almost 2 years in, that's what the players dish up.

Those advocating against Paul Roos might say that he has lost the players - I think the players are perfectly capable of losing themselves.

Those advocating that the game plan is too defensive - how does that stack up against the side that is on the bottom of the ladder before the game starts, and then kicks 10 goals in the first half. The problem was that we weren't defensive enough!!

If ever there is a way to get going in a game of footy, it is to lay the first tackle at the first centre bounce, then the second, then the third - that's the way to start a game of football.

Robo on 360 just mentioned there's more to come on the Dees in tomorrow's HS and that some parts of the MFC weren't happy with Roosy comments last night.

Can we just play some [censored] consistent hard footy for 4 quarters and get rid of all this shitz.

Please for the love of god Melb show something, do something on the field please.

  On 25/08/2015 at 09:59, JackDeMan said:

This post is rubbish - the players are the problem. What a pathetic bunch of unaccountable misfits they are - 2 tackles in the first 20 minutes of "football" against Carlton.

For as long as Paul Roos has been at Melbourne, he has emphasised tackling, and almost 2 years in, that's what the players dish up.

Those advocating against Paul Roos might say that he has lost the players - I think the players are perfectly capable of losing themselves.

Those advocating that the game plan is too defensive - how does that stack up against the side that is on the bottom of the ladder before the game starts, and then kicks 10 goals in the first half. The problem was that we weren't defensive enough!!

If ever there is a way to get going in a game of footy, it is to lay the first tackle at the first centre bounce, then the second, then the third - that's the way to start a game of football.

100% spot on...Lay a few Hard Tackles early & the buzz goes through the crowd...We Are On.

The MFC needs to make that a standard output...2-3 tackles a Quarter for every player...if not....Why not...?

  On 25/08/2015 at 00:16, pitmaster said:

Lloyd criticised Dawes for failing to run with Kreuzer who was as a result able to run into an open goal unopposed, which Lloyd said was unacceptable for a senior player. True, but if you saw Dawes kick our second goal from just on 50 before half time, he collapsed in pain after kicking the ball. He may be playing hurt and can't run for all we know. If he is hurt and Pedersen were fit, Dawes would not be playing, but CP is done for the year so Lloyd may be doing Dawes a disservice.

It's not so much that Kreuzer got away from him, but the fact that Dawes didn't notice or make any effort to go with him. Watch the whole passage of play. They start out jogging side by side. Kreuzer sees that Dawes isn't paying him any attention and drifts away behind his back, gains separation and then sprints away. Dawes never noticed because he was ball-watching.