Agree. Neeld mistake # 9. Wines would have been chisen under Roos. Salem, Brayshaw and Petracca. Ni backward steps from these guys.

In hindsight if we had Wines then we probably would've finished higher on the ladder in 2014 and not been able to draft both Brayshaw and Petracca

In hindsight if we had Wines then we probably would've finished higher on the ladder in 2014 and not been able to draft both Brayshaw and Petracca

And not having Wines, leaves the door open for Vandenberg and others..who might end up being better players than Wines at the end of their careers.

And not having Wines, leaves the door open for Vandenberg and others..who might end up being better players than Wines at the end of their careers.

Doubt it. Wines is a star.

Doubt it. Wines is a star.

Bla bla bla. Get over it. He's ours, for now.

Bla bla bla. Get over it. He's ours, for now.

There isn't a living football supporter that would take VDB over Wines, although they possess many similar attributes.

Nonetheless, it's a good reality check that there are seriously good players out there; we just need to get better at finding and identifying them. Unfortunately, the success of VDB sent 17 other clubs into a frenzy, pushing them out into the minor leagues trying to replicate our success. Taylor would be doing VERY well to replicate a recruitment of equal success in this draft.

There isn't a living football supporter that would take VDB over Wines, although they possess many similar attributes.

Nonetheless, it's a good reality check that there are seriously good players out there; we just need to get better at finding and identifying them. Unfortunately, the success of VDB sent 17 other clubs into a frenzy, pushing them out into the minor leagues trying to replicate our success. Taylor would be doing VERY well to replicate a recruitment of equal success in this draft.

VBerg wasn't the first country player drafted. Pretty sure Isaac Smith was from the country leagues...

VBerg wasn't the first country player drafted. Pretty sure Isaac Smith was from the country leagues...

VFL actually, but only really the one season.

Bla bla bla. Get over it. He's ours, for now.

I've never got involved in the Wines vs Toumpas thing so I've got nothing to get over but anyone who thinks that Wines won't end his career as a great player is fooling themselves.

Mark Stevens has tweeted, his been told reliably that watts is going nowhere, is well liked at the club and will see his contract out at the least

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Mark Stevens has tweeted, his been told reliably that watts is going nowhere, is well liked at the club and will see his contract out at the least

Read that as, the club was happy for Watts' manager to look at other offers, but none were forthcoming.

In other words no takers. Ugh...

yeah or the club genuinely see him as a 'required player' as stated by coach and others over and over.

Another season to build on this years improved performance. If he does not prevail I think you would still have him as the same value as this year. Only really good for a trade package.

yeah or the club genuinely see him as a 'required player' as stated by coach and others over and over.

Another season to build on this years improved performance. If he does not prevail I think you would still have him as the same value as this year. Only really good for a trade package.

I thought that Roos said the opposite. And an improved performance that netted him 18th in the B&F is not saying much.

The only solace I take is that the media won't make such a big deal if Watts is playing at Casey. If he stands up, he could be the forward to assist Hogan. I somehow doubt it though.

Mark Stevens has tweeted, his been told reliably that watts is going nowhere, is well liked at the club and will see his contract out at the least

Read that as, the club was happy for Watts' manager to look at other offers, but none were forthcoming.

It read it as we were selling and not getting near the price we were hoping for.

Frankly, good! I don't like the idea of just getting rid of someone just to get rid of them.

Watts isn't a cancer, he's a player with elite skills and some fundamental flaws but just came off his best year. String 5 months together like the two he had this year and he will be a valuable role player on a flank.

Should give him a decent kick in the backside too.

as i think i said in another thread, the story goes that he was proffered as an option and there were no takers.

Collingwood is into Howe

Collingwood is into Howe

Source?

Source?

Good. We'll take Treloar.

Geez the benefit of hindsight. Who the hell would we have taken with pick 4 if given the choice now? Wines. Macrae or Stringer?

Fairly sure if Roos was around a year earlier then Wines would've been the exact archetype of midfielder he loves.

or stringer

Agree. Neeld mistake # 9. Wines would have been chisen under Roos. Salem, Brayshaw and Petracca. Ni backward steps from these guys.

sons, it would have been the footy recruiting committee decide on that

Doubt it. Wines is a star.

I've not given up on Wines; every year is a differing scenario. things change, that is the only certainty.

I thought that Roos said the opposite. And an improved performance that netted him 18th in the B&F is not saying much.

The only solace I take is that the media won't make such a big deal if Watts is playing at Casey. If he stands up, he could be the forward to assist Hogan. I somehow doubt it though.

watts could eventually benefit, from the Nev Jetta model of tactics. & a little similar to the StevieJ one as well.

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Spencer White delisted from St Kilda after a couple of years. I remember hearing a lot of hype around him - worth a look at all?

Good. We'll take Treloar.

remember ..Collingwood always want everyone !!

Karnezis has retired... interesting.

Spencer White delisted from St Kilda after a couple of years. I remember hearing a lot of hype around him - worth a look at all?

Don't think so. Was always a reach at pick 25, more athlete than footballer and didn't really handle the step up to senior footy. Mason Shaw a better option of the delisted talls.

Spencer White delisted from St Kilda after a couple of years. I remember hearing a lot of hype around him - worth a look at all?

Saints have delisted a few - no doubt will cause a proliferation of new threads but this is it according to news.com.au

A KEY forward once likened to Lance Franklin and a utility compared to Brendon Goddard are out the door after St Kilda list cuts.

Spencer White attracted comparisons to the Sydney superstar with his athleticism but never cut it at senior level, playing just two senior games (four goals) after he was selected with pick 25 in the 2012 draft.

Arryn Siposs was noted for his prodigeous right boot and won a Rising Star nomination in 2012. He said before the 2013 season he had ambitions of filling the hole left by Goddard when he left for Essendon as a free agent.

He has also been delisted after failing to play a senior game this year.

The Saints have made two other list changes, parting ways with defender Tom Simpkin and injury-cursed forward Daniel Markworth who failed to play a senior game in four years at Seaford.