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  On 21/09/2015 at 12:01, spirit of norm smith said:

Agree. Neeld mistake # 9. Wines would have been chisen under Roos. Salem, Brayshaw and Petracca. Ni backward steps from these guys.

In hindsight if we had Wines then we probably would've finished higher on the ladder in 2014 and not been able to draft both Brayshaw and Petracca

  On 21/09/2015 at 12:33, olisik said:

In hindsight if we had Wines then we probably would've finished higher on the ladder in 2014 and not been able to draft both Brayshaw and Petracca

And not having Wines, leaves the door open for Vandenberg and others..who might end up being better players than Wines at the end of their careers.
 
  On 21/09/2015 at 12:36, Henrietta Lumbago said:

And not having Wines, leaves the door open for Vandenberg and others..who might end up being better players than Wines at the end of their careers.

Doubt it. Wines is a star.


  On 21/09/2015 at 13:53, Demonic Faves said:

Bla bla bla. Get over it. He's ours, for now.

There isn't a living football supporter that would take VDB over Wines, although they possess many similar attributes.

Nonetheless, it's a good reality check that there are seriously good players out there; we just need to get better at finding and identifying them. Unfortunately, the success of VDB sent 17 other clubs into a frenzy, pushing them out into the minor leagues trying to replicate our success. Taylor would be doing VERY well to replicate a recruitment of equal success in this draft.

  On 21/09/2015 at 13:58, Lamashtu said:

There isn't a living football supporter that would take VDB over Wines, although they possess many similar attributes.

Nonetheless, it's a good reality check that there are seriously good players out there; we just need to get better at finding and identifying them. Unfortunately, the success of VDB sent 17 other clubs into a frenzy, pushing them out into the minor leagues trying to replicate our success. Taylor would be doing VERY well to replicate a recruitment of equal success in this draft.

VBerg wasn't the first country player drafted. Pretty sure Isaac Smith was from the country leagues...

  On 21/09/2015 at 20:50, Is Dom Is Good said:

VBerg wasn't the first country player drafted. Pretty sure Isaac Smith was from the country leagues...

VFL actually, but only really the one season.

 
  On 21/09/2015 at 13:53, Demonic Faves said:

Bla bla bla. Get over it. He's ours, for now.

I've never got involved in the Wines vs Toumpas thing so I've got nothing to get over but anyone who thinks that Wines won't end his career as a great player is fooling themselves.

Mark Stevens has tweeted, his been told reliably that watts is going nowhere, is well liked at the club and will see his contract out at the least

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  On 22/09/2015 at 02:04, JV7 said:

Mark Stevens has tweeted, his been told reliably that watts is going nowhere, is well liked at the club and will see his contract out at the least

Read that as, the club was happy for Watts' manager to look at other offers, but none were forthcoming.

In other words no takers. Ugh...

yeah or the club genuinely see him as a 'required player' as stated by coach and others over and over.

Another season to build on this years improved performance. If he does not prevail I think you would still have him as the same value as this year. Only really good for a trade package.

  On 22/09/2015 at 02:47, mongrel said:

yeah or the club genuinely see him as a 'required player' as stated by coach and others over and over.

Another season to build on this years improved performance. If he does not prevail I think you would still have him as the same value as this year. Only really good for a trade package.

I thought that Roos said the opposite. And an improved performance that netted him 18th in the B&F is not saying much.

The only solace I take is that the media won't make such a big deal if Watts is playing at Casey. If he stands up, he could be the forward to assist Hogan. I somehow doubt it though.

  On 22/09/2015 at 02:04, JV7 said:

Mark Stevens has tweeted, his been told reliably that watts is going nowhere, is well liked at the club and will see his contract out at the least

  On 22/09/2015 at 02:12, mo64 said:

Read that as, the club was happy for Watts' manager to look at other offers, but none were forthcoming.

It read it as we were selling and not getting near the price we were hoping for.

Frankly, good! I don't like the idea of just getting rid of someone just to get rid of them.

Watts isn't a cancer, he's a player with elite skills and some fundamental flaws but just came off his best year. String 5 months together like the two he had this year and he will be a valuable role player on a flank.



  On 21/09/2015 at 11:53, Lamashtu said:

Geez the benefit of hindsight. Who the hell would we have taken with pick 4 if given the choice now? Wines. Macrae or Stringer?

Fairly sure if Roos was around a year earlier then Wines would've been the exact archetype of midfielder he loves.

or stringer

  On 21/09/2015 at 12:01, spirit of norm smith said:

Agree. Neeld mistake # 9. Wines would have been chisen under Roos. Salem, Brayshaw and Petracca. Ni backward steps from these guys.

sons, it would have been the footy recruiting committee decide on that

  On 21/09/2015 at 12:38, chook fowler said:

Doubt it. Wines is a star.

I've not given up on Wines; every year is a differing scenario. things change, that is the only certainty.

  On 22/09/2015 at 03:23, mo64 said:

I thought that Roos said the opposite. And an improved performance that netted him 18th in the B&F is not saying much.

The only solace I take is that the media won't make such a big deal if Watts is playing at Casey. If he stands up, he could be the forward to assist Hogan. I somehow doubt it though.

watts could eventually benefit, from the Nev Jetta model of tactics. & a little similar to the StevieJ one as well.

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Spencer White delisted from St Kilda after a couple of years. I remember hearing a lot of hype around him - worth a look at all?

  On 22/09/2015 at 05:35, chook fowler said:

Good. We'll take Treloar.

remember ..Collingwood always want everyone !!

 
  On 22/09/2015 at 06:41, Django said:

Spencer White delisted from St Kilda after a couple of years. I remember hearing a lot of hype around him - worth a look at all?

Don't think so. Was always a reach at pick 25, more athlete than footballer and didn't really handle the step up to senior footy. Mason Shaw a better option of the delisted talls.


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