Delistings/trades at end of the season

[Little Richard 6,265]

I may be mistaken, but I believe that we were prepared to accept said offer but either Howe did not want to move or we ran out of time and were unable to finalize the deal.

I think we only received the offer with about 15 minutes left, so you can understand why it didn't happen. Still, I wish we'd have said yes. We won't get another deal like that for him.

[ChaserJ 5,188]

Just had a thought (rare). Brisbane are in need of forwards and the AFL want marquee players up north - if they made a big dollar play for Howe we could get seriously bent over. Maybe we should offer Jeremy a handsome bridging contract to see him through to free agency so we can maximise the best return and insure against getting screwed? Or have I got it wrong that he could slip through to the pre-season draft?

Not a F/A, would be trade or PSD. If Brisbane did want Howe, I wonder if we could swing a deal to bring in Sam Mayes the other way.

After a good first year, and reasonable second, he looks to have stagnated big time. Mayes is OOC next year.

[Members' Wing 1,106]

Not a F/A, would be trade or PSD. If Brisbane did want Howe, I wonder if we could swing a deal to bring in Sam Mayes the other way.

After a good first year, and reasonable second, he looks to have stagnated big time. Mayes is OOC next year.

That's what he means - he could walk for nothing to Brisbane in the PSD

[olisik 4,060]

Not a F/A, would be trade or PSD. If Brisbane did want Howe, I wonder if we could swing a deal to bring in Sam Mayes the other way.

After a good first year, and reasonable second, he looks to have stagnated big time. Mayes is OOC next year.

Brisbane will have first pick in PSD

[Beats 190]

Having said that, I wouldn't be unhappy if Grimes remained at the club on a 1 year deal.

He's an unrestricted free agent and OOC at the end of 2016. I like him, but there's no better time than now to trade him. If he plays most of next year in the VFL and leaves as an UFA the compensation we would receive would be next to nothing.

[Ron Burgundy 8,588]

Myers? Why Myers?

Such a strange target.

Think I'll back Goodwin's judgement on this one.

He's always struck me as a very good player.

[monoccular 17,695]

That would be my concern.

Has played the 1 game this year, has only played 10+ games in a year 3 times in 8 (with a best of 20 in 2013).

Wouldn't want to give up all that much, his durability raises a few flags for mine.

Had good years in 2013 & '14, long, left foot kick, big bodied winger who can win his own ball, can turn it over a bit when he's not on.

Rohan Connolly did a nice piece on him last year:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendons-david-myers-came-pretty-close-to-giving-up-on-afl-dream-20140829-109neh.html

So, what is Myers' problem that prevents him getting more games in?

The Connolly article says chronic leg injuries - no mention of whether these could relate to certain 'substances'.

I also see that he has had but one single disposal this season in his one game - does anyone have any updates on this?

Sounds a huge risk to me, even without the WADA issues.

Edited August 6, 2015 by monoccular

[What 18,810]

So, what is Myers' problem that prevents him getting more games in?

The Connolly article says chronic leg injuries - no mention of whether these could relate to certain 'substances'.

I also see that he has had but one single disposal this season in his one game - does anyone have any updates on this?

Sounds a huge risk to me, even without the WADA issues.

He never gets on the park

He struggles to find the ball

he doesn't kick goals

He has WADA hanging over his head

He might be the absolute last player in the entire AFL id want the MFC to go after

[Ted Lasso 19,564]

We had a crack at myers in roos first year but the druggos wanted pick 2.

[whatwhat say what 23,599]

For Myers?

I know we tried to get Heppell for pick 2 last year, but Myers one surprises me for pick 2.

If he's one of the 34 wouldn't go anywhere near him.

[ChaserJ 5,188]

I thought I read about a package deal of Myers and Trav Colyer for pick 2 at the time.

[dazzledavey36 55,982]

I thought I read about a package deal of Myers and Trav Colyer for pick 2 at the time.

Correct.

Looking back im still happy at the deal. Could you imagine now if we did that deal. Both on the sidelines with long term injuries.

[Redleg 42,028]

I thought earlier this year that we would have only a small number of changes to the list, I now think we will have a similar amount to the last two end of seasons.

Possibly gone could be McKenzie, Bail, Terlich, Michie, Riley, Jamar, Cross if he retires, Howe if traded and maybe even Toumpas and Grimes. That is ten changes if all happen.

i would keep Fitzy and Spencer as backup to Gawn, even though they are often spoken about on here. I still have hopes for Fitzy to become a regular.

I can see us taking less draftees and more experienced players this year as well. We have a fair bit of youth on the list ATM. Maybe Lovett with the last pick and one other player earlier.

If we are interested, I think Zak Jones would be gettable, however if we get Prestia and with Viney, ANB and Nathan Jones, his type may be superfluous to our needs.

Edited August 7, 2015 by Redleg

[Shmity29 61]

I thought earlier this year that we would have only a small number of changes to the list, I now think we will have a similar amount to the last two end of seasons.

Possibly gone could be McKenzie, Bail, Terlich, Michie, Riley, Jamar, Cross if he retires, Howe if traded and maybe even Toumpas and Grimes. That is ten changes if all happen.

i would keep Fitzy and Spencer as backup to Gawn, even though they are often spoken about on here. I still have hopes for Fitzy to become a regular.

I can see us taking less draftees and more experienced players this year as well. We have a fair bit of youth on the list ATM. Maybe Lovett with the last pick and one other player earlier.

If we are interested, I think Zak Jones would be gettable, however if we get Prestia and with Viney, ANB and Nathan Jones, his type may be superfluous to our needs.

Zac Jones signed a 2 year contract extension with the Swans a couple of months ago.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

I think the Myers rumour is nothing but scuttlebutt.

The bloke is injury-riddled and I'm pretty sure he's one of the 34 in question. We may have had a crack in the past but I cannot see the logic in going hard for a player like him now. Not exactly a list 'need' either.

Of course an A-grade/class mid would be the number one priority over the trade/FA period (like Danger or Treloar), but if that doesn't work out I'd like for us to bring in a few players who fill our list needs.

Yarran - Class and leg-speed

A Ruckman-Forward who we could hopefully play to give Gawn a chop out.

Trent McKenzie - Elite kick and good line breaker to compliment our backline.

Jed Anderson - hard at it and skilled midfielder who won't cost the world.

Let's say Garland and Howe leave and Cross retires.

2016 round 1 Team:

B Jetta Dunn Frost

HB McKenzie McDonald Salem

C Yarran Vince Lamumba

HF Petracca Dawes Watts

F Garlett Hogan Kent

Foll Gawn Jones Viney

Int Brayshaw Trengove Tyson Ruckman/forward

Knocking on the door : Anderson, Vanders, JKH, Newton

Edited August 7, 2015 by stevethemanjordan

[What 18,810]

I think the Myers rumour is nothing but scuttlebutt.

The bloke is injury-riddled and I'm pretty sure he's one of the 34 in question. We may have had a crack in the past but I cannot see the logic in going hard for a player like him now. Not exactly a list 'need' either.

Of course an A-grade/class mid would be the number one priority over the trade/FA period (like Danger or Treloar), but if that doesn't work out I'd like for us to bring in a few players who fill our list needs.

Yarran - Class and leg-speed

A Ruckman-Forward who we could hopefully play to give Gawn a chop out.

Trent McKenzie - Elite kick and good line breaker to compliment our backline.

Jed Anderson - hard at it and skilled midfielder who won't cost the world.

Let's say Garland and Howe leave and Cross retires.

2016 round 1 Team:

B Jetta Dunn Frost

HB McKenzie McDonald Salem

C Yarran Vince Lamumba

HF Petracca Dawes Watts

F Garlett Hogan Kent

Foll Gawn Jones Viney

Int Brayshaw Trengove Tyson Ruckman/forward

Knocking on the door : Anderson, Vanders, JKH, Newton

LOL i should have read the post before looking at the team.. I though you had Jordie Mckenzie on the back flank

[rjay 25,317]

I think the Myers rumour is nothing but scuttlebutt.

The bloke is injury-riddled and I'm pretty sure he's one of the 34 in question. We may have had a crack in the past but I cannot see the logic in going hard for a player like him now. Not exactly a list 'need' either.

Of course an A-grade/class mid would be the number one priority over the trade/FA period (like Danger or Treloar), but if that doesn't work out I'd like for us to bring in a few players who fill our list needs.

Yarran - Class and leg-speed

A Ruckman-Forward who we could hopefully play to give Gawn a chop out.

Trent McKenzie - Elite kick and good line breaker to compliment our backline.

Jed Anderson - hard at it and skilled midfielder who won't cost the world.

Let's say Garland and Howe leave and Cross retires.

2016 round 1 Team:

B Jetta Dunn Frost

HB McKenzie McDonald Salem

C Yarran Vince Lamumba

HF Petracca Dawes Watts

F Garlett Hogan Kent

Foll Gawn Jones Viney

Int Brayshaw Trengove Tyson Ruckman/forward

Knocking on the door : Anderson, Vanders, JKH, Newton

I wouldn't go with Yarran, I just don't rate him as some. By the by, I notice the Denham has jumped off him after prematurely proclaiming him a champion a few years back.

Would definitely look at Anderson, may need to do a Kennedy, McGlinn, Mummy deal to get him. He would definitely be in Hawks succession plans..

The ruck/forward role would be good to fill, maybe King is being groomed for it but if so they need to give him more ruck time at Casey. Sinclair was the one I was looking at last season but he's really locked in his place at WC now.

[ChaserJ 5,188]

In terms of ruck forwards who might be available, not too many going around.

Off the top of my head, there’s Grimley at Hawthorn (probably between he and Ceglar for back up ruck duties at Hawthorn next year), Lycett at West Coast, Gorringe at GC, Hannath at Freo and Daw at North.

If we were going to invest in one through the draft, Flynn from NSW seems like the one that plays the dual role the best. Flynn’s potentially tied to GWS through the academy, but they probably won’t have the points to grab him. Late 2^nd onwards probably his range.

Harry McKay’s a forward who could give a chop out in the ruck, but don’t think we’d go that way with our first rounder.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

I wouldn't go with Yarran, I just don't rate him as some. By the by, I notice the Denham has jumped off him after prematurely proclaiming him a champion a few years back.

Yes. Seems to be an opinion shared by a few around here. Aside from his form slump this year, I can't quite workout why. I mean, so many are willing to give the time of day to many Melbourne players if they go through similar form slumps.

Yarran finished 4th in Carlton's bnf last year. And again I'd like to remind you of where Garlett was playing his footy this time last year. In the VFL.

Yarran's best is simply sublime and over his career he has shown more of his good form than bad. It's really only this year that he's hit rock bottom and given the fact that we have McCartney, Goodwin and Roos as arguably some of the best football development coaches in the league, I'm again not sure why so many choose to believe Yarran will forever be playing in the manner he is now.

As for Demham. Lols.

I'd rather cut off my member and sit in vinegar than to hear him speak.

Edited August 7, 2015 by stevethemanjordan

[mo64 5,886]

In terms of ruck forwards who might be available, not too many going around.

Off the top of my head, there’s Grimley at Hawthorn (probably between he and Ceglar for back up ruck duties at Hawthorn next year), Lycett at West Coast, Gorringe at GC, Hannath at Freo and Daw at North.

If we were going to invest in one through the draft, Flynn from NSW seems like the one that plays the dual role the best. Flynn’s potentially tied to GWS through the academy, but they probably won’t have the points to grab him. Late 2^nd onwards probably his range.

Harry McKay’s a forward who could give a chop out in the ruck, but don’t think we’d go that way with our first rounder.

If we think that King can develop into a forward/ruckman in a few years time, I don't see the point of investing in another one through the draft.

It seems like the club is clear on where our ruck stocks are at:

Gawn - 1st ruck guaranteed unless he gets injured.

Spencer - Backup 1st ruck who isn't good enough as a ruck/forward.

Jamar - Retire unless picked up by another club as a FA.

Fitzpatrick - The club doesn't see him a a ruck, and isn't good enough as a key position player.

Frost - Wouldn't be surprised if he plays as a key back/2nd ruck next year like Jackson Tengove.

Assuming Jamar retires, and if Fitzpatrick is traded/delisted, I'd be happy with a Hannath or Lycett.

[Little Richard 6,265]

If we think that King can develop into a forward/ruckman in a few years time, I don't see the point of investing in another one through the draft.

It seems like the club is clear on where our ruck stocks are at:

Gawn - 1st ruck guaranteed unless he gets injured.

Spencer - Backup 1st ruck who isn't good enough as a ruck/forward.

Jamar - Retire unless picked up by another club as a FA.

Fitzpatrick - The club doesn't see him a a ruck, and isn't good enough as a key position player.

Frost - Wouldn't be surprised if he plays as a key back/2nd ruck next year like Jackson Tengove.

Assuming Jamar retires, and if Fitzpatrick is traded/delisted, I'd be happy with a Hannath or Lycett.

I think we need to at least trade one in, but also draft/rookie a late prospect for the future.

Spencer is just not good enough and Jamar doesn't have a place anymore. If those two go it leaves us fairly exposed to injuries or poor form.

[Demon Disciple 12,482]

I reckon we should try and go after Gorringe from the Suns. He isn't getting much opportunity up there and he could rotate with Gawn in the forward-line as resting ruck.

Howe + first round pick for Prestia + Gorringe?

Edited August 7, 2015 by Demon Disciple

[Redleg 42,028]

Yes. Seems to be an opinion shared by a few around here. Aside from his form slump this year, I can't quite workout why. I mean, so many are willing to give the time of day to many Melbourne players if they go through similar form slumps.

Yarran finished 4th in Carlton's bnf last year. And again I'd like to remind you of where Garlett was playing his footy this time last year. In the VFL.

Yarran's best is simply sublime and over his career he has shown more of his good form than bad. It's really only this year that he's hit rock bottom and given the fact that we have McCartney, Goodwin and Roos as arguably some of the best football development coaches in the league, I'm again not sure why so many choose to believe Yarran will forever be playing in the manner he is now.

As for Demham. Lols.

I'd rather cut off my member and sit in vinegar than to hear him speak.

I think I know what is wrong with Yarran, he is dumb and lazy. Yes he can do the brilliant, but then he does not do the basics, like defend and man up.

[rjay 25,317]

Yes. Seems to be an opinion shared by a few around here. Aside from his form slump this year, I can't quite workout why. I mean, so many are willing to give the time of day to many Melbourne players if they go through similar form slumps.

Yarran finished 4th in Carlton's bnf last year. And again I'd like to remind you of where Garlett was playing his footy this time last year. In the VFL.

Yarran's best is simply sublime and over his career he has shown more of his good form than bad. It's really only this year that he's hit rock bottom and given the fact that we have McCartney, Goodwin and Roos as arguably some of the best football development coaches in the league, I'm again not sure why so many choose to believe Yarran will forever be playing in the manner he is now.

As for Demham. Lols.

I'd rather cut off my member and sit in vinegar than to hear him speak.

Very funny 'steve'...should text that one into KB

I'm not that interested in where a player sits in club B&F's, particularly Carlton. There are some on our list playing at Casey that polled well in the past.

I agree with 'Redleg', he is a dumb,lazy footballer who picks and choses when to go. He has the leg speed but he would have to be the most embarrassing player to watch when the ball is in the air. It's not that he ducks his head, it's that he seems to have no idea where the ball is once it leaves the ground.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

I think I know what is wrong with Yarran, he is dumb and lazy. Yes he can do the brilliant, but then he does not do the basics, like defend and man up.

Do you rate Watts?

What have your thoughts been about his lack of effort and intensity at times?

It's not a matter of Yarran not doing the basics. When he plays well and is high on confidence he does everything well including the basics.

Just like Watts and others at our club, this year he's let a few habits sneak in that don't look good at all.

Over his entire career, is that a reflection of who he is as a player or where he is mentally at a club that are going through a rough season?

I can't quite understand how you paint him one colour and say that's the way it is yet you're happy to defend others who have gone through similar form slumps, shown similarly bad habits etc.

I have a feeling it's because you barrack for Melbourne, and not Carlton...

Edited August 7, 2015 by stevethemanjordan