I'd like to see Howe go forward again and Grimes can adequately play his back-line 'intercept' role. Neither have been great, but it's worth a try.

Lord knows I'm no fan of some of these 'ins', but I fail to see how Bail, Jones and Mitchie for Pedersen, Watts, Newton and Kennedy-Harris overly weakens us. I like Newton, but the other 3 have been borderline hopeless. The 'ins' will at least double the possession tally of the 'outs'. And it's not as though the 'outs' don't give it back too.

I can't quite understand the angst.

I can understand Newton, been quite unsighted in the past two games, but at least he can kick a goal and get the ball inside 50

I'd like to see Howe go forward again and Grimes can adequately play his back-line 'intercept' role. Neither have been great, but it's worth a try.

Wish we still had Rivers

He doesn't have it in him. Pea heart.

Have you ever shouted this at games? Last year I think, someone near me kept calling Watts a pea heart. Thought it was pretty funny tbh

Stop what?

Just leave him be.

Roos is prepared to drop senior players and bring in lesser players to prove the point

Short term pain just might lift the Culture.

We can win with the attitude

Exactly, Watts has had 28 games under Roos, it's not like he hasn't tried. Problem is before Roos took over there was still that mindset of "under the right coach Watts will excel", that theory has now been put to bed. Time to cut our losses at seasons end, start looking for the next VB to bring in.

Id make him study his own tapes and ask him if this is how he would like to be remembered.

Hold on a minute I distinctly remember him being involved in a verbal altercation with Rhyce Shaw after being subbed in.

Edited May 14, 201510 yr by Al's Demons

i noticed when i looked at the team sheets, the time was 9:11...but thats probably just .......

Another Jack Watts thread.

Omg.

I think we are wanking dc.. I have lost confidence in Roos - WTF is he playing at?

We have a severe depth deficit. Please name alternatives who are currently on our list and available.

Wish we still had Rivers

Wish we still had Rod Grinter...

B - Grimes - Dunn - Garland

HB - Lumumba - T Mac - Howe

C - Salem - Tyson - Vince

HF - Vandenberg - Dawes - Brayshaw

F - Garlett - Hogan - Stretch

R - Spencer - N.Jones - .Cross

Bench - Toumpas - Bail - Michie

Sub - M.Jones

Not as bad as people are making out and all the wrist slashing is laughable. Would take that team over any team we named in 2014

The team that played Richmond was better.

Didn't Watts have an interrupted preseason?

That must be it...

Oh, wow.

What does watts have to do now that he is dropped? What are peoples thoughts on what coaching staff are asking of him in terms of a role?

Is it a running wing/flank? Is it a lead up foward? A third tall?

Watts is one of my favorites and I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts?

I'd make him study tapes of Jack Gunston.

How would that help him? The ball is not going to be delivered to him the way it is to Gunston. It might persuade him he needs to leave...

B - Grimes - Dunn - Garland

HB - Lumumba - T Mac - Howe

C - Salem - Tyson - Vince

HF - Vandenberg - Dawes - Brayshaw

F - Garlett - Hogan - Stretch

R - Spencer - N.Jones - .Cross

Bench - Toumpas - Bail - Michie

Sub - M.Jones

Not as bad as people are making out and all the wrist slashing is laughable. Would take that team over any team we named in 2014

Yes but the website shows Vince in the back pocket and Grimes on the wing? That gets me less excited (as does the concept of Bail as the sub instead of Stretch)

Edited May 14, 201510 yr by CBDees

Wish we still had Rod Grinter...

Hell yeh! And Yeater

The team that played Richmond was better.

Any team is!

Watts needs some confidence and with all the crap he cops in the media and on social media he is unlikely to get the clear air he needs to build it up. I suspect Roos knows that and is sending him back in the hope he starts to enjoy playing out of the spotlight.

I had more confidence in the Sydney game than the Hawthorn or Freo games. I didn't think we'd win the Sydney game though. My girlfriend and I have been dating eight years now (she's Hawthorn filth) and we haven't won a game against them in this time. I'd prefer to win this game over the Freo or Sydney games.

Do you get a regular check-up?

Newton not named for Casey, must be senior emergency

Newton not named for Casey, must be senior emergency

Think he has an injury issue, spent some time with physios at training, as I reported

Despite having many more total possessions, Hawthorn were only even with Western Sydney on contested possessions.

Lewis and Hodge were 1 & 2 for effective disposals at Hawthorn, and 2 & 3 for contested possessions. (behind only Wonky Will Langford).

In fact, 1/3rd of Hawthorn's contested possessions against Western Sydney were through just 3 players; Langford, Breust and Mitchell.

Langford butchers the ball routinely and grotesquely, meaning that at the moment the 'effective contested possessions' job actually falls to just Breust and Mitchell.

Bradley Hill (20 disposals, 90% eff, but just 2 contested), Hartung, Duryea, Suckling and Birchall rely on getting loose, and provided a huge share of the drive out of defensive 50 and into the forward 50.

I'm beginning to see the logic in Michie, Bail, Grimes and M. Jones. If we can force Hawthorn's 'smooth' midfielders to do everything in a contested situation, without the steady veterans to take charge and control the game, they might just bollocks it all up.

I agree - really unhappy with these selections and the selections over the past few weeks. Yeah I know you have to set standards but there's also an element of having played two of the best teams in the comp and just not being up to it.

We need a settled team and for the players to be backed in by the coaches as well as getting experience. Michie should never have been dropped. Newton should not be dropped - he's only played about 10 games! Watts has been rightfully dropped. Howe is lucky to still get a game. Pedersen should not be dropped. Give him Watts' role as the third leading forward with Dawes coming up to high half forward and let Hogan sit back closer to goal or leading back to the empty paddock in front of goal (Pagans Paddock).

The multiple changes the last couple of weeks have a touch of panic about them.

Bail, M Jones, Grimes - three absolute butchers against the team who absolutely kills you on the rebound with their skill. We need to have physical players in this week to pressure the Hawks like we did the Crows - these three will not be doing that.

I don't think you could play Hogan at FF. He's too important to halving contests up the field. Unless of course, Dawes starts taking grabs or bringing the ball to his feet in a constructive manner.

I am fine with the changes.

At least they'll have a crack. They'll work much harder than JKH and Watts, that's for sure.

We couldn't hit targets vs Sydney because they ran both ways far better than we did, and it showed. We'd often go to break to the other side of the ground and there would be 3 Sydney players vs 1 Dees player running into space.

Hopefully these changes address this.

Not sure you could say this about Jeremy Howe. How (pardon the pun) he continues to get games is beyond me. Given Watts has finally been dropped, I wonder whether Howe is next to go if he dishes up another performance of jogging and fading in and out of the game.

Do you get a regular check-up?

Indeed.

What does watts have to do now that he is dropped? What are peoples thoughts on what coaching staff are asking of him in terms of a role?

Is it a running wing/flank? Is it a lead up foward? A third tall?

Watts is one of my favorites and I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts?

I'd make him study tapes of Jack Gunston.

Is the NBL still a thing?