Not keeping records would qualify as poor record keeping I would think.

So yes, if you want to be technical, I will change my phrasing from "poor record keeping" to "no record keeping".

My thoughts are more in line with yours than most other demonlanders but there is not a snow flakes chance in hell their were no records. It is more a case of who made them disappear as to how guilty Essendon are imho. A big issue for me in all of this is they almost certainly would still be around if Demetriou didn't tip them off. What happened from there is anybody's guess. Wouldn't surprise me if Demetriou ordered they be destroyed himself. Dank and Charter hardly seem the types that would have a moral problem destroying them either. Hird, Bomba "I don't have a lemonade or fanta problem" Thompson or any number of them on the board might or might not be involved.

It still amazes me that the AFL's forensic experts turned up nothing on the confiscated computers. I am more suspicious of that than a predetermined ASADA outcome through the AFL's panel.

As several posters have said, it defies belief that any program as described in Ziggy's report would not keep records in this professional scientific age. So their absence now is more than highly suspicious.

You have a lot of respect here Ash, as does my mate who has given away supporting EFC and AFL. Don't know what will bring him back, but I suspect a clearing out of Hird and co would satisfy him. He'd probably forgive the players assuming they were duped of pressured -maybe even if they were individual drug cheats. But the admin, never.

I wanted Hird gone. The club reinstated him.

Not my choice, but I'm not into the whole 'give up on the club and walk away until Hird is gone' type stuff.

I support the Essendon Football Club.

Administrators, players, coaches, they all come and go.

I will stick fat no matter what comes.

If the sh*t hits the fan in the coming months with a WADA appeal and guilty verdict, the EFC will need my support more than ever.

I wanted Hird gone. The club reinstated him.

Not my choice, but I'm not into the whole 'give up on the club and walk away until Hird is gone' type stuff.

I support the Essendon Football Club.

Administrators, players, coaches, they all come and go.

I will stick fat no matter what comes.

If the sh*t hits the fan in the coming months with a WADA appeal and guilty verdict, the EFC will need my support more than ever.

Spoken like a true supporter, Ash. Well done.

Not really on the topic of the ASADA stuff ash but how do you view Hird as a coach?

From my perspective his ego gets in the way of common sense at times

Not really on the topic of the ASADA stuff ash but how do you view Hird as a coach?

From my perspective his ego gets in the way of common sense at times

I've always had the opinion that he is a 'good to ok' coach, but not a great coach.

We are really struggling at the moment, and I don't think he has the answers.

We seem to play [or at least qualify] for finals most years under him, but we have become stagnant.

Haven't won a final since 2004.

I would struggle to name 5 players on our list that have shown real improvement outside of natural development since Hird took over.

The players do play for him though. Many players have said that they love playing for him.

But in the end, that will only get you so far.

I think our recruiting policy over in the off season was questionable.

Getting Cooney and Gwilt were moves of a club that thinks they were close to challenging.

I really don't think we are that close.

We were 5 goals up against North in the Elimination final last year, maybe should have been further up, but either way, frustratingly lost that final.

Geelong were ripe for the picking the next week so with a bit of luck, we could have been in a Preliminary Final.

Perhaps the club looked at it that way.

Maybe Hird felt pressure that he couldn't "comeback" as coach and the team go backwards.

Our lack of scoring potency is a real worry.

Our forward line is reliant on a 20 year old with potential (Daniher) and a defender (Carlisle).

Zero small forward presence with Winderlich and Kommer always injured.

Thank god we recruited Chapman.

But that is the test of a coaches ability, manufacturing a game plan that works when you don't have your full compliment of players.

He has failed that test so far this year.

WADA are possibly going to be hamstrung by the same issues that ASADA had ...

Witnesses won't talk, all records destroyed, players denying any wrongdoing, a governing body wanting to protect the brand and all the money etc etc

Somehow all that is ASADA or WADA's fault ... and they are the good guys!

Surely 'records destroyed ' = guilty !

Surely 'records destroyed ' = guilty !

I agree and that's why it's so difficult to understand the tribunal decision - well, it's not that difficult if one is to take a cynical view.

So, which way are WADA going to go? Appeal or no appeal?

If the information is right and WADA have enough to nail the Bombers through the CAS, then you'd reckon they're obligated to appeal.

So it's an appeal from WADA for me but not with any real confidence at all.

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And BANG !!!

WADA lodges appeal to CAS

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2015-05/wada-statement-on-afl-cases

Where is the gif of the fat kid doing his wiggle dance?

My goodness, can you imagine the media frenzy about to be unleashed on ASADA/WADA now?

Bet that ugly prik little isnt smirking now.

Appeal is on....

Choc tops at the ready....

Can't wait to see the fanboy brigade go feral

Sorry you cheating bastards......it HASN'T gone away at all, it's just arrived at the REAL judgement day !

Au revoir Jacques Merde !

The ducks have lined up !!!

You weren't on the WADA site spamming the refresh key all night were you 'bub?

Incredible. I always expected it ... but still really shocked.

Just confirms what we all felt, and confirms what more than a few have been saying about the Tribunal and its judgement.

That's the best result for Australian sport. hird cannot get away this

Whoops. Where's the troll who threatened to come back here and gloat when WADA didn't appeal?

Team WADA. Let's do this!

Good news. How long will this process take?

Can't wait to read the Tird camps news stories claiming they have nothing to hide, they can't wait to defend themselves and have the truth come out and what martyrs they are.

Possibly up to six months or more.

Another season derailed but hopefully, a lot of people will get their wish and the truth will come out.