Ross Lyon to leave and coach GWS

To coach the flare out've another young team.

i must say i have a little more respect for Crowley, he's clearly done the wrong thing but he is at least taking it on the chin and not trying to get out of it.

Well, he did test positive, so not all that much he can say, except that it wasn't intentional. But then, that was also the case with Saad and Wade Lees.

Quite why any professional athlete would go outside/around the club medical staff is a bit beyond me.

According to ASADA certain 'specified substances' don't require provisional suspensions and in fact you can keep playing until the tribunal hearing.

It sounds like Crowley was in that situation hence the voluntary provisional suspension he's taken after the end of the season.

To be honest, let's wait and see exactly what he's taken and the performance enhancing side effects. If it's something minor like a Warnie situation then give him a few weeks off and get on with things.

A minor breach of the doping laws due to stupidity deserves a minor punishment.

Completely different to systematic doping.

Couldn't agree less!

Half time snakes and diced up oranges will be banned soon.

This is another shambles by the AFL.

After ASADA provide the B sample it is up to the AFL to get on with the process.

Why after five months has nothing happened Gil?

This is another shambles by the AFL.

After ASADA provide the B sample it is up to the AFL to get on with the process.

Why after five months has nothing happened Gil?

A good question. Anyone know if the AFL has offered a reason?

A good question. Anyone know if the AFL has offered a reason?

maybe it was busy ?

A good question. Anyone know if the AFL has offered a reason?

The dog ate the report.

It's sitting with Dr Reids letter...

A good question. Anyone know if the AFL has offered a reason?

they forgot?

The dog ate the report.

Having eaten all EFC's records and Dank's receipts as well, it won't need feeding for a while.

Having eaten all EFC's records and Dank's receipts as well, it won't need feeding for a while.

Constipated I would think with all that paper.

I'm not excusing Crowley, but I suspect knowing which drugs and supplements are OK is a little more complicated than it sounds. Keep in kind some are permanently banned while others are only banned on match day and I think others only banned when in season. Secondly, drugs and supplements have different names and ingredients which often sound similar but are quite different.

Having said all that, and speaking generally and not about this particular case, I suspect some players take non-performance enhancing, non-recreational drugs which they know are banned because they are masking agents and take the risk that they won't get caught. Particularly if they've done it before or someone else they know has done it and got away with it.

I'm not excusing Crowley, but I suspect knowing which drugs and supplements are OK is a little more complicated than it sounds. Keep in kind some are permanently banned while others are only banned on match day and I think others only banned when in season. Secondly, drugs and supplements have different names and ingredients which often sound similar but are quite different.

Having said all that, and speaking generally and not about this particular case, I suspect some players take non-performance enhancing, non-recreational drugs which they know are banned because they are masking agents and take the risk that they won't get caught. Particularly if they've done it before or someone else they know has done it and got away with it.

At the risk of offending you LDC

Yes you are.

The guy is 31 and if he does not have enough brains after the last two years with the EFC to not take chances then he is the dumbest guy running around in the AFL.

On top of that right now we have no idea what he took.

After Hird and the EFC's statements over the last two years I do not believe one word until they are proven correct.

Has AFL made a comment on this or are they struck dumb again.

Gil in will not go away mate by ignoring it!

Has AFL made a comment on this or are they struck dumb again.

Gil in will not go away mate by ignoring it!

He's facing an AFL tribunal.

What would a comment from the CEO achieve?

Has AFL made a comment on this or are they struck dumb again.

Gil in will not go away mate by ignoring it!

He's facing an AFL tribunal.

What would a comment from the CEO achieve?

You are probably right 'Clint' at this stage. They haven't been shown in a good light though in the time it's taken to deal with this issue.

I do think the AFL and Dill need to do a rethink on their overall drug policy though. So far it seems to be about doing deals and hiding things under the rug. It's a fair chance they dodged a bullet in the Karmichael case...

He's facing an AFL tribunal.

What would a comment from the CEO achieve?

let's just hope the match tribunal does take 6 months to get around to hearing a charge

He's facing an AFL tribunal.

What would a comment from the CEO achieve?

He has been in that position for the best part of six months.

How come it is taking so long Gil.

I'm not excusing Crowley, but I suspect knowing which drugs and supplements are OK is a little more complicated than it sounds. Keep in kind some are permanently banned while others are only banned on match day and I think others only banned when in season. Secondly, drugs and supplements have different names and ingredients which often sound similar but are quite different.

Having said all that, and speaking generally and not about this particular case, I suspect some players take non-performance enhancing, non-recreational drugs which they know are banned because they are masking agents and take the risk that they won't get caught. Particularly if they've done it before or someone else they know has done it and got away with it.

I have been on record as showing some sympathy for the Essendons players ( not the admin and the coach - they should get banned for ever) - I won't rehash that - what I also said that what happened at Essendon has changed the landscape forever. No player should ever take anything whatsoever unless they can unequivocally answer the question - is this ASADA/AFL approved.

On what I have read, Crowley gets no sympathy from me at all due to his unbelievably stupidity of taking nothing from the Essendon saga at all.

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I have been on record as showing some sympathy for the Essendons players ( not the admin and the coach - they should get banned for ever) - I won't rehash that - what I also said that what happened at Essendon has changed the landscape forever. No player should ever take anything whatsoever unless they can unequivocally answer the question - is this ASADA/AFL approved.

On what I have read, Crowley gets no sympathy from me at all due to his unbelievably stupidity of taking nothing from the Essendon saga at all.

That covers it nutbean the dumbest player in the AFL in 2014.

I wonder how often he has rolled the dice before and got away with it?

At the risk of offending you LDC

Yes you are.

The guy is 31 and if he does not have enough brains after the last two years with the EFC to not take chances then he is the dumbest guy running around in the AFL.

On top of that right now we have no idea what he took.

After Hird and the EFC's statements over the last two years I do not believe one word until they are proven correct.

No offence taken. And if it looks like I'm sympathetic to Crowley or excusing him, that's just poor drafting on my part. I agree that an experienced player should either know what he can take or, if unsure about something, that he should check with the club Doctor.

That covers it nutbean the dumbest player in the AFL in 2014.

I wonder how often he has rolled the dice before and got away with it?

Which is what my second para was alluding to.

That covers it nutbean the dumbest player in the AFL in 2014.

I wonder how often he has rolled the dice before and got away with it?

Another question is how many players are still rolling the dice and getting away with it! The odds of getting away with it are in their favour as there aren't many tests made each year.

No offence taken. And if it looks like I'm sympathetic to Crowley or excusing him, that's just poor drafting on my part. I agree that an experienced player should either know what he can take or, if unsure about something, that he should check with the club Doctor.

Heard on SEN this morning the comment that he was suffering a back complaint for a fair bit of last season.