GWS will only release who they want to release - they f*uckd up with Dom and I'll be eternally grateful.

The 'pact' boys aren't going anywhere....Shiel, Treloar, Greene, now Cameron, Bugg, Conilio, Hoskin-Elliott, (sp?)Tomlinson and Treloar.

Footy is lies.

If he pissfarts around in the first six or so rounds with or without excuses and still fobs off re-signing then I am going to make up my mind pretty quickly of his likely intentions.

Edited March 6, 201510 yr by america de cali

GWS will only release who they want to release - they f*uckd up with Dom and I'll be eternally grateful.

The 'pact' boys aren't going anywhere....Shiel, Treloar, Greene, now Cameron, Bugg, Conilio, Hoskin-Elliott, (sp?)Tomlinson and Treloar.

The word is that Treloar wants out though 'jumbo'. Your mail has been good but how strong is it on him?

Well Jeremy...over to you

The actual world within which AFL exits is starting to align itself more with how Ive viewed the game for a long long while. Players are just that. Theyll come, theyll go. I invest little in them. I love the club>I want to see the team prosper and dont really care who wears the guernsey as long as they do it proudly and give there all as is the deal they agree to.

The players movements will become even more fluid in time.

its upon this that I then judge a players use to us.

I dont want any more Frawleys etc.. no more Judas's.

I dont care if Howe goes....and if he stays he needs to pick his socks up.

Hes had some good games and a lot more very average ones.

if hes worth more as a commodity why hesitate.

Has it really come to this?

It is a sad indictment on the game when players are mere commodities. I blame this on one of our own, I think the great Ron Barassi started the slippery slope.

But if that is the new world we have to get better at it. What am I offered for this low mileage high flying crowd pleaser? Do I hear first pick and a player.... Maybe live player auctions on Foxtel. I would watch that.

if Melbourne didn't pluck him from some obscure Tasmanian club theres every chance he wouldn't have ever been drafted at all and would till be playing in Tassie

He owes the club big time

Has it really come to this?

It is a sad indictment on the game when players are mere commodities. I blame this on one of our own, I think the great Ron Barassi started the slippery slope.

But if that is the new world we have to get better at it. What am I offered for this low mileage high flying crowd pleaser? Do I hear first pick and a player.... Maybe live player auctions on Foxtel. I would watch that.

The AFLPA are driving this very agenda surely. They want their freedom etc . its all just a business in the main. Sure, we see it ( and literally so ) as a game, of teams, but who comprises them, well, its becoming more of a merry go round each season now.

GWS will only release who they want to release - they f*uckd up with Dom and I'll be eternally grateful.

The 'pact' boys aren't going anywhere....Shiel, Treloar, Greene, now Cameron, Bugg, Conilio, Hoskin-Elliott, (sp?)Tomlinson and Treloar.

Jumbo, how can they possibly hang onto them all through? they have paid Scully, Davis and Ward a fortune, now they have signed Cameron to another mega deal and have signed Smith.

That leaves Sheil, Treloar, Greene, Bugg, Conilio, Hoskin-Elliot and Tomlinson......thats some quality players who would like their bite at the cherry, they may of made a pact in their first contracts but the boys (probably more their managers) will be seeking a major payrise. If they can keep them, well played, i honestly cannot see it though.

Footy is lies.

And so are my emotions.

I am stoked that Dawes, Tyson, Frost, Newton, Garlett and Michie decided to depart their rather poxy clubs to come play for our great team. Good, strong, sensible decisions.

And then there are the Scullys, Clarks (his last change of club not the one before that) and Frawleys of this world who are obviously moral-less, bottom dwelling scum suckers

Now there is Howe who

a) I will cerebrally justify is a one trick hack who we may rort a first rounder for or

B) may legitimately explore his options before loyally resigning with the club that plucked him from obscurity

Player movements will become more common. The only way to beat it is to win more trades than you lose. In the last couple of seasons I think we have done this handsomely.

Jumbo, how can they possibly hang onto them all through? they have paid Scully, Davis and Ward a fortune, now they have signed Cameron to another mega deal and have signed Smith.

That leaves Sheil, Treloar, Greene, Bugg, Conilio, Hoskin-Elliot and Tomlinson......thats some quality players who would like their bite at the cherry, they may of made a pact in their first contracts but the boys (probably more their managers) will be seeking a major payrise. If they can keep them, well played, i honestly cannot see it though.

Dunno BD - perhaps it's the lure of a historic flag together.

They will win one....eventually.

The word is that Treloar wants out though 'jumbo'. Your mail has been good but how strong is it on him?

Really? Haven't heard that - perhaps there are cracks appearing??

I honestly believe a major factor in his decision will be whether we play him forward or back. I'm certainly no body language expert but I think he didn't enjoy playing down back last year.

Edited March 6, 201510 yr by Wormburner

Crows think danger is gone. Should have taken pick 2...

Dunno BD - perhaps it's the lure of a historic flag together.

They will win one....eventually.

I'd tip them to when a few in a row, that has to be the AFL's plan to try expand and win fans through flags in West Sydney.

I honestly believe a major factor in his decision will be whether we play him forward or back. I'm certainly no body language expert but I think he didn't enjoy playing down back last year.

It's funny you mention that though - prior to going back he had a pretty lacklustre year up forward, and for his development Roos saw fit to send him back and as the season progressed he got better and better. It's a courageous man to argue a decision Roos would make in a players development, but it would be pretty poor if that was the reason.

Crows think danger is gone. Should have taken pick 2...

Unless Danger didn't want to come to us in the first place. The bloke is Geelong bound IMO. Plenty of ties to the area and they can probably just offer him enough coin to entice him over.

It's funny you mention that though - prior to going back he had a pretty lacklustre year up forward, and for his development Roos saw fit to send him back and as the season progressed he got better and better. It's a courageous man to argue a decision Roos would make in a players development, but it would be pretty poor if that was the reason.

Unless Danger didn't want to come to us in the first place. The bloke is Geelong bound IMO. Plenty of ties to the area and they can probably just offer him enough coin to entice him over.

Agree, you don't offer Jeremy Cameron 8 mil over 7 years unless you are pretty certain Danger is gone imo, i think he will end up at Geelong, but no doubt our monster deal we offered him last year would still be on the table, i was of the opinion that Danger was happy to come to us, the crows were the ones who wanted to back themselves to keep him, massive fail at this stage.

It's funny you mention that though - prior to going back he had a pretty lacklustre year up forward, and for his development Roos saw fit to send him back and as the season progressed he got better and better. It's a courageous man to argue a decision Roos would make in a players development, but it would be pretty poor if that was the reason.

Unless Danger didn't want to come to us in the first place. The bloke is Geelong bound IMO. Plenty of ties to the area and they can probably just offer him enough coin to entice him over.

I agree that it was great for the team for him to be sent back as he couldn't get in the game when playing forward, and i don't think he'd argue the point with Roos either.

But, if a team approached him with the right $ amount and the promise of remaining up forward I think he'd want to take it.

And so are my emotions.

I am stoked that Dawes, Tyson, Frost, Newton, Garlett and Michie decided to depart their rather poxy clubs to come play for our great team. Good, strong, sensible decisions.

And then there are the Scullys, Clarks (his last change of club not the one before that) and Frawleys of this world who are obviously moral-less, bottom dwelling scum suckers

Now there is Howe who

a) I will cerebrally justify is a one trick hack who we may rort a first rounder for or

B) may legitimately explore his options before loyally resigning with the club that plucked him from obscurity

Player movements will become more common. The only way to beat it is to win more trades than you lose. In the last couple of seasons I think we have done this handsomely.

Great post.

I agree that it was great for the team for him to be sent back as he couldn't get in the game when playing forward, and i don't think he'd argue the point with Roos either.

But, if a team approached him with the right $ amount and the promise of remaining up forward I think he'd want to take it.

alot of Vic teams can offer Danger good money, and i think Geelong will need to pay good dollars to retain Hawkins

Please no danger to the dees talk. i'll be too tempted to use a picture of him as my avatar

Please no danger to the dees talk. i'll be too tempted to use a picture of him as my avatar

you mean this one?

People say Howe may be a 'one trick pony' but I think contested marking is one of the most important tricks in football at present.

He's a massive point of difference in any team and I'd love to see him up forward now with a fit Hogan, Dawes and a resting ruckman. No longer will teams simply be able to zone off to cut his leap off.

Would also rather him playing down back over Grimes at present.

It's funny you mention that though - prior to going back he had a pretty lacklustre year up forward, and for his development Roos saw fit to send him back and as the season progressed he got better and better. It's a courageous man to argue a decision Roos would make in a players development, but it would be pretty poor if that was the reason.

Unless Danger didn't want to come to us in the first place. The bloke is Geelong bound IMO. Plenty of ties to the area and they can probably just offer him enough coin to entice him over.

Blokes like Danger will be sorely tempted to come to us if we can crack at least 8 wins for the season. Not only will it indicate we are on the way up but also able to pay well for his services.

And so are my emotions.

I am stoked that Dawes, Tyson, Frost, Newton, Garlett and Michie decided to depart their rather poxy clubs to come play for our great team. Good, strong, sensible decisions.

And then there are the Scullys, Clarks (his last change of club not the one before that) and Frawleys of this world who are obviously moral-less, bottom dwelling scum suckers

Now there is Howe who

a) I will cerebrally justify is a one trick hack who we may rort a first rounder for or

B) may legitimately explore his options before loyally resigning with the club that plucked him from obscurity

Player movements will become more common. The only way to beat it is to win more trades than you lose. In the last couple of seasons I think we have done this handsomely.

Said like it is but supporters find it is hard to tolerate players that are put on high pedestals dragging their arses for a whole season or having excuses why they cannot even play to then confirm all the rumours at end of season. As far as I am concerned Gary Ablett has set the bench mark for acceptable departure. He played some of his best ever footy as a parting gift before he left the cats. Not surprising he received a standing ovation on his return back to Kardinia Park with the Suns.

Edited March 6, 201510 yr by america de cali