I don't know why all the anger, when Mitch first retired for a pathetic excuse of depression, many players have had The something and kept on playing, he wanted out a year earlier and he used this excuse to get out of his contract, the guy kept on training, even using mission to design a program to get back, every one was busy feeling sorry for him and not seeing the real reason, so to all u posters who shot me down at the time and are anger now, sucker's that's what happens to bleeding hearts, they get stung.

I don't know why all the anger, when Mitch first retired for a pathetic excuse of depression, many players have had The something and kept on playing, he wanted out a year earlier and he used this excuse to get out of his contract, the guy kept on training, even using mission to design a program to get back, every one was busy feeling sorry for him and not seeing the real reason, so to all u posters who shot me down at the time and are anger now, sucker's that's what happens to bleeding hearts, they get stung.

Good to learn from an expert that all cases of depression are the same.

Better a bleeding heart capable of being stung than have a heart of stone.

I look forward to your post if it emerges that he left because we didn't want him.

I don't know why all the anger, when Mitch first retired for a pathetic excuse of depression, many players have had The something and kept on playing, he wanted out a year earlier and he used this excuse to get out of his contract, the guy kept on training, even using mission to design a program to get back, every one was busy feeling sorry for him and not seeing the real reason, so to all u posters who shot me down at the time and are anger now, sucker's that's what happens to bleeding hearts, they get stung.

I don't recall your posts personally, but I took objection at the time to those who were laying the boot in before we had all the facts and before the situation had fully panned out. Those who were quick to strike generally had an attitude of depression not being a legitimate illness, which is ignorant and wrong. Bleeding heart? I'd say open mind.

We still don't have all the facts and Clark continues to leave his cryptic messages on Twitter rather than choosing to be up front and honest with the fans who backed him while he was here. I don't agree with how he's handled the situation at all in terms of using up the club's resources and leading them on right up until the day he turned his back. His posts about "loving hanging with the boys" are stomach churning, and I continue to smell a rat over his "medical advice" to change clubs.

But in saying all that, I'm over it. The club is in a good place, and whilst he would have been handy, we no longer need him.

Good to learn from an expert that all cases of depression are the same.

Better a bleeding heart capable of being stung than have a heart of stone.

I look forward to your post if it emerges that he left because we didn't want him.

Well that was part of his plan, at the time the club tried to talk him round but he was admitted the best thing was to retire, you are a sucker, and would believe anything, of course Mitch would tweet things like how do you know they didn't want me, it is classic defense response, attack the victim, if u cant see that then you are a sucker.

Well that was part of his plan, at the time the club tried to talk him round but he was admitted the best thing was to retire, you are a sucker, and would believe anything, of course Mitch would tweet things like how do you know they didn't want me, it is classic defense response, attack the victim, if u cant see that then you are a sucker.

Gosh, as well as thinking all depressions are the same, you know an awful lot that isn't in the public domain. We don't know exactly what happened and the known facts are capable of being interpreted several ways as many posters have pointed out.

The fact that he is still mates with our loyal Captain is the strongest evidence that your interpretation is the wrong one however.

I don't go on anything vague MC tweeted, but if I had to interpret that particular remark, I'd suspect that by saying 'how do you know', rather than just denying it, he's covering up for being booted out. But don't expect me to put money on that.

At this stage, I just hope he doesn't star for Geelong - that would be galling. If it emerges that he did the club in, I will join you in cursing him. Not till then.

I don't recall your posts personally, but I took objection at the time to those who were laying the boot in before we had all the facts and before the situation had fully panned out. Those who were quick to strike generally had an attitude of depression not being a legitimate illness, which is ignorant and wrong. Bleeding heart? I'd say open mind.

We still don't have all the facts and Clark continues to leave his cryptic messages on Twitter rather than choosing to be up front and honest with the fans who backed him while he was here. I don't agree with how he's handled the situation at all in terms of using up the club's resources and leading them on right up until the day he turned his back. His posts about "loving hanging with the boys" are stomach churning, and I continue to smell a rat over his "medical advice" to change clubs.

But in saying all that, I'm over it. The club is in a good place, and whilst he would have been handy, we no longer need him.

Think and feel pretty much the same 'P-man', well put.

He did do the club in he won't came out and say yes they told me to leave, think about it when players are told to leave you know about it, example with Vince, with Moloney, it was pretty clear, what's clear here is Mitch said at the time the best was to play at another club, it's just after he started getting attacked that he has tried to put doubt.

Well that was part of his plan, at the time the club tried to talk him round but he was admitted the best thing was to retire, you are a sucker, and would believe anything, of course Mitch would tweet things like how do you know they didn't want me, it is classic defense response, attack the victim, if u cant see that then you are a sucker.

Never been a more clear cut need for a slight shortening of username ...

Keep the avatar tho'

Strained a calf already, according to Jay Clark's twitter.

Strained a calf already, according to Jay Clark's twitter.

Round 1 seems a tough ask now.

Strained a calf already, according to Jay Clark's twitter.

Déjà vu again.

The guy might have issue with leg and soft tissue injuries just like he did at Melbourne, there is still a possibility that he may never play a game.

Strained a calf already, according to Jay Clark's twitter.

My favourite sentence ...

"The Cats remain optimistic regarding his fitness, with the latest setback not expected to drag on."

No, I'm sure it'll be fine. Really.

Maybe wishing injury on someone does work.

I won't do it to anyone else from now on.

He did do the club in he won't came out and say yes they told me to leave, think about it when players are told to leave you know about it, example with Vince, with Moloney, it was pretty clear, what's clear here is Mitch said at the time the best was to play at another club, it's just after he started getting attacked that he has tried to put doubt.

Since we don't know what went on between him and the club, that is pretty weak evidence. Maybe both sides agreed to make no public comment. How do you explain that Jones is apparently still his mate? That seems stronger evidence in the other direction.

When the cats crash out of the 8, it's going to happen, no matter how successful the club there is always a crash, Steve Johnson will have trouble with his ankle foot all year, he has been able to play with it for years but at his age these things catch upto him, I think they have recruit in the wrong area. And when it happens Mitch will fall back in depression, he is weak of mind that's a sad fact about depression, but depression does not always point to quitters, that's different Mitch is a quitter.

And the soft tissue injuries continue for the 97 game player.

Meanwhile, 199 game player Lamumba is flying in his 11th preseason.

The two were drafted only one year apart.

I like to hope that Mitch is getting better at what he does best, bail out on clubs.

Maybe this time he will bail without even playing a game?

Strained a calf already, according to Jay Clark's twitter.

Told you the name in the freezer works.

he is weak of mind that's a sad fact about depression

The sad fact is that you are wrong.

It actually takes tremendous strength to deal with, and overcome, depression.

But for someone who refers disparagingly to "fruity people" elsewhere on this board, I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

When the cats crash out of the 8, it's going to happen, no matter how successful the club there is always a crash, Steve Johnson will have trouble with his ankle foot all year, he has been able to play with it for years but at his age these things catch upto him, I think they have recruit in the wrong area. And when it happens Mitch will fall back in depression, he is weak of mind that's a sad fact about depression, but depression does not always point to quitters, that's different Mitch is a quitter.

What a horribly ignorant post. If you don't know anything about depression, the mental illness, it's best to say nothing. Depression is a disease that can strike people for no reason. It's like saying someone that has a brain aneurysm is weak of mind.

When the cats crash out of the 8, it's going to happen, no matter how successful the club there is always a crash, Steve Johnson will have trouble with his ankle foot all year, he has been able to play with it for years but at his age these things catch upto him, I think they have recruit in the wrong area. And when it happens Mitch will fall back in depression, he is weak of mind that's a sad fact about depression, but depression does not always point to quitters, that's different Mitch is a quitter.

I disagree that depression is a weakness of the mind. Some of the most mentally strong individuals get depressed over the most trivial of things.

But I think you raise a good point about Mitch Clark being a quitter in general - as we actually see a pattern of behaviour to suggest you are correct.

But there is no pattern to suggest that all depressed athletes quit in the fashion that Mitch Clark has in recent times. Many players have battled depression and have not quit.

Mitch Clark obviously has other issues. Whether he even suffers from depression is speculative IMO.

Interesting posts from many on here re MC. My initial post starter was a fair bit "reserved" and upon reflection I will go a bit harder now. I am lead to believe he was no longer welcome at the MFC for two main reasons, one being a quite personal"situation" with a well known old club favourite and the second being he tripped up verbally a few times re his explanation of why he could no longer play with us. If you lie then you have to have an extremely good memory. Perhaps MC hasn't a very good memory. I am absolutely sure the Karma Freight train will come steaming into view very shortly and that most of us will be vindicated in a most suitable and convenient manner.

Worst discussion Cats have made in 20 years. Hopefully it's the start of there down fall, I'm sick of them being in the 8

Where there's smoke there's usually fire. The constant chatter about an "incident" with MC at the club, timed with his peculiar retirement, indicates a man running away from his demons rather than confronting them.

It seems increasingly clear to me that he orchestrated a 'retirement' with his manager purely to usurp his contract and get to a more successful club. To assuage himself of the creeping guilt for screwing the MFC he then victimised himself to supporters by claiming he was "unwanted" by the club without an explanation why. The explanation seems increasingly likely it was actions of his own doing.

Having dealt with depressed patients for many years, this is a typical blame deflection tactic; to blame others for ill will that you have caused, relying on the ignorance of people to prevent a backlash and keep yourself painted in a positive light.