Two things firstly the silence of the AFL is just dumbfounding and wherever the AWA got a sniff from it certainly got them finally up and about.

Someone is certainly shaking the tree....

Two things firstly the silence of the AFL is just dumbfounding and wherever the AWA got a sniff from it certainly got them finally up and about.

Someone is certainly shaking the tree....

The AFL are somewhat bound currently to keep mum until the tribunal hands down a decision. What they do then,,,will be telling.

I just spoke to an Essendon supporter that reckons the players have claimed they had no idea that the injections contained anything illegal therefore they cannot be banned.

..........................sigh!

So to carry that to the extreme, clubs can inject anything into their players and it is ok so long as the players don't know what it is.

But there were no positive tests he claimed. It will all be thrown out.

I am staggered at the lack of understanding of some Essendon supporters.

I just spoke to an Essendon supporter that reckons the players have claimed they had no idea that the injections contained anything illegal therefore they cannot be banned.

..........................sigh!

So to carry that to the extreme, clubs can inject anything into their players and it is ok so long as the players don't know what it is.

But there were no positive tests he claimed. It will all be thrown out.

I am staggered at the lack of understanding of some Essendon supporters.

Ignorance is bliss ManDee

Fanbois.

I just spoke to an Essendon supporter that reckons the players have claimed they had no idea that the injections contained anything illegal therefore they cannot be banned.

..........................sigh!

So to carry that to the extreme, clubs can inject anything into their players and it is ok so long as the players don't know what it is.

But there were no positive tests he claimed. It will all be thrown out.

I am staggered at the lack of understanding of some Essendon supporters.

I'd imagine if this was happening to us, we'd have our fair share of supporters not wanting to face the facts as well. Coping mechanism and ignorance is bliss etc.

I'd imagine if this was happening to us, we'd have our fair share of supporters not wanting to face the facts as well. Coping mechanism and ignorance is bliss etc.

If it was us the coach would have been sacked, the board would have stepped down and we would be under administration of the AFL. And this all would have happened 2 years ago.

I just spoke to an Essendon supporter that reckons the players have claimed they had no idea that the injections contained anything illegal therefore they cannot be banned.

..........................sigh!

So to carry that to the extreme, clubs can inject anything into their players and it is ok so long as the players don't know what it is.

But there were no positive tests he claimed. It will all be thrown out.

I am staggered at the lack of understanding of some Essendon supporters.

not just essendon folk that dont understand !!

funny really....to all those dum dum bummers out there in la la land.. Put 3 words into search..ASADA, LOOK UP

thats all they had to do...time taken....no more than 10 secs....and all is revealed !!!

They've simply tried to be too clever by half....and now come a cropper.

Lions...Crucifixion.... Lions.....Crucifixion !!

Ignorance is bliss ManDee

and yet its not an excuse

funny really....to all those dum dum bummers out there in la la land.. Put 3 words into search..ASADA, LOOK UP

thats all they had to do...time taken....no more than 10 secs....and all is revealed !!!

They've simply tried to be too clever by half....and now come a cropper.

Lions...Crucifixion.... Lions.....Crucifixion !!

1st the CEO

2nd the board

3rd the Hird

Then the players

If it was us the coach would have been sacked, the board would have stepped down and we would be under administration of the AFL. And this all would have happened 2 years ago.

I think it did....

Did anyone see an article in The Age Sat feb7 which referred to Sebastian Coe and concerns about widespread doping in Russia.

It would seem a little hypocritical if Australian officials on one hand are complaining about doping in sport (walking) which "denied" an Australian "a gold medal" while other Australian officials cannot complete an investigation into "Pharmacological Experimentation"

Did anyone see an article in The Age Sat feb7 which referred to Sebastian Coe and concerns about widespread doping in Russia.

It would seem a little hypocritical if Australian officials on one hand are complaining about doping in sport (walking) which "denied" an Australian "a gold medal" while other Australian officials cannot complete an investigation into "Pharmacological Experimentation"

Since when has hypocrisy been banned from World sport?

Since when has hypocrisy been banned from World sport?

since when has hypocrisy never been part of human nature?

http://www.sen.com.au/news/a-short-sharp-ban-is-the-most-appealing-outcome

I disagree strongly, the situation is simple, if this club has cheated than it needs to man up and cop what's coming to it, they have fought the investigation ever step of the way, Robbo and his media team have carried out a media campaign trying to discredit and paint ASADA as the big bad wolf and Essendon as innocent victims.

The league needs to be very strong on the fact that Illegal or performance enhancing drug use is unacceptable under any circumstances and cannot go soft on anyone for it, much less this club who has appealed the legality of the investigation once, while it's coach has twice.

If they are found guilty is important that the punishment is not reflective of what is best for the EFC, or for the League in terms of getting them back on the field ASAP, it needs to send a message, and i suspect ASADA and WADA are hell bent on making sure that happens.

Lol, WADA would not allow a three game ban.

Hird must never be allowed near a sporting club, the players must miss six months min and the doc and administrators need to resign or be fired.

Then, then this can be buried.

I think that would be the minimum. And less and WADA will appeal.

Lol, WADA would not allow a three game ban.

Hird must never be allowed near a sporting club, the players must miss six months min and the doc and administrators need to resign or be fired.

Then, then this can be buried.

I think that would be the minimum. And less and WADA will appeal.

Agree, i'm thinking lifetime bans from the AFL for Hird, Dank and whoever else was heavily involved if found guilty but i'd go as far as minimum 12 month bans for players backdated to the date of the infraction notices, if all that's been said in the media is true these players must have had suspicions something wasn't right long before the investigation even started.

http://www.sen.com.au/news/a-short-sharp-ban-is-the-most-appealing-outcome

Dear Mick....youre an idiot !!...or a stooge...or both

Agree, i'm thinking lifetime bans from the AFL for Hird, Dank and whoever else was heavily involved if found guilty but i'd go as far as minimum 12 month bans for players backdated to the date of the infraction notices, if all that's been said in the media is true these players must have had suspicions something wasn't right long before the investigation even started.

How can you backdate when they are still training and continuing along with their normal,off-season activities? Saade got two years holiday from St. Kilda which also included training. I don' t see why Essendon players should be treated more leniently!

How can you backdate when they are still training and continuing along with their normal,off-season activities? Saade got two years holiday from St. Kilda which also included training. I don' t see why Essendon players should be treated more leniently!

There was no backdating for Saad because he fronted up and copped his punishment immediately

ASADA have also said that any provisional suspension will be backdated to the last date of competitive play, training is fine under a provisional suspension. Maybe not fair, but i guess the trade off is that they've already had the heat of the spotlight on them for 2 years.

ASADA have also said that any provisional suspension will be backdated to the last date of competitive play ...

Really?

Where did they say that?

The only guarantee I've seen from ASADA is that there are no guarantees. Suspensions are usually backdated to the issuing of IN's, which is when provisional suspension usually starts.

There was no backdating for Saad because he fronted up and copped his punishment immediately

ASADA have also said that any provisional suspension will be backdated to the last date of competitive play, training is fine under a provisional suspension. Maybe not fair, but i guess the trade off is that they've already had the heat of the spotlight on them for 2 years.

Please note..ASADA dont backdate as such. The media has invented this notion of backdating and run with it.

what WADA/ASADA does do is take note of any provisional suspensions served and take that OFF the overall period of ban. its a similar effect but I repeat there is NO backdating

Please note..ASADA dont backdate as such. The media has invented this notion of backdating and run with it.

what WADA/ASADA does do is take note of any provisional suspensions served and take that OFF the overall period of ban. its a similar effect but I repeat there is NO backdating

I'm getting lost BB. Are they currently provisionally suspended? Can they train when p. suspended?

I'm getting lost BB. Are they currently provisionally suspended? Can they train when p. suspended?

well theres a 64 dollar question.. Yes they can. But strangely its only if they seek to compete does the clock reset

Whilst suspended they can not train , play or scratch themselves in the name of the game. til then its a bit murky.

Watson and Fletcher will have their game as IR reps noted. Will work against them...good !! everyone else is playing around in the cracks atm.