THE ESSENDON 34: ON TRIAL

[TRIGON 4,719]

Improbable Deanox given the size of the EFC supporter base and the spectacular AFL executive remuneration structure.

[beelzebub 22,282]

I don't think I quite emphasised the score of what I meant. I wasn't only talking current scenario.

The AFL have saved us when in dire straights through cash and through personnel support.

Im saying, that I the scenario Essendon loses players have massive legal fall out etc the AFL needs to either choose to save Essendon or take the license off them.

If it is not financially to save them the drop feeding and supporting should be off the table. Pull the plug and be done with it.

take it off them then

[beelzebub 22,282]

Improbable Deanox given the size of the EFC supporter base and the spectacular AFL executive remuneration structure.

Improbable in the view of many who see Footy as its own god. A lot of aspects to this have yet to play out or even begin.

AFL might be a Shark in a fishbowl but its krill to the big bad world !!

[old dee 22,974]

Improbable Deanox given the size of the EFC supporter base and the spectacular AFL executive remuneration structure.

I agree those suggesting the AFL will take the licence of EFC are in DC words "Dreamin"

The supporter base is too big and little would fight it through every court in the land.

Too Much Loss for the AFL and too hard.

It will not happen.

[beelzebub 22,282]

I agree those suggesting the AFL will take the licence of EFC are in DC words "Dreamin"

The supporter base is too big and little would fight it through every court in the land.

Too Much Loss for the AFL and too hard.

It will not happen.

Hang on... AFL whips licence of the crud...and hand it to a clean sheet mob... All those with a red and black jumper ...over there >>>>>

All those responsible for this debacle where do you think youre going !! Lady Justice wants a word

[Slartibartfast 16,003]

I blink and look away for a day or two and BB has it at 315!

Impressive, I think......

[old dee 22,974]

Hang on... AFL whips licence of the crud...and hand it to a clean sheet mob... All those with a red and black jumper ...over there >>>>>

All those responsible for this debacle where do you think youre going !! Lady Justice wants a word

Oh Please bb you know that is never going to happen.

The AFL have issued their sanctions against the EFC.

You know that is the end for the EFC as far as the AFL is concerned.

Rhetoric is one thing reality is another

[old dee 22,974]

I blink and look away for a day or two and BB has it at 315!

Impressive, I think......

A little sarcasm there Bob?

[beelzebub 22,282]

essendon is but one club. 17 other clubs whose members tally in the 100's of thousands might not/probably dont see it as a natural reflex that this bunch of crooks ought to be spared.

[beelzebub 22,282]

Oh Please bb you know that is never going to happen.

The AFL have issued their sanctions against the EFC.

You know that is the end for the EFC as far as the AFL is concerned.

Rhetoric is one thing reality is another

yeah..the AFL has..

its the kiddy in this game

[beelzebub 22,282]

I blink and look away for a day or two and BB has it at 315!

Impressive, I think......

and I suspect you applied your full faculty in adding to this topic

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

Oh Please bb you know that is never going to happen.

The AFL have issued their sanctions against the EFC.

You know that is the end for the EFC as far as the AFL is concerned.

Rhetoric is one thing reality is another

They have only sanctioned the EFC for governance breaches, not for anything else I think.

[binman 39,070]

There is no way WADA would allow such a sweetheart deal. I agree the AFL tribunal may try it on, but there are other forces at work here. Oh yes, and open cheque books have their limits, even in the face of this sort of stupidity

I don't understand where the sweetheart deal is in my hypothesized scenario. The penalty i set out is in line with the WADA penelaites. The only wrinkle is whether WADA would accept the duped argument and halve the penalty. The backdating ASADA have already said is a possible (ie to the time of issuing of notices in November last year). The EFC losing 17 of its (best) players for a full season is huge so it would satisfy WADA and ASADA i would expect (but not the Hird media club). The players will be furious but will accept it to get it over and done with.

Besides you have previously said you agree with my guess on the outcome

[ManDee 7,093]

Oh Please bb you know that is never going to happen.

The AFL have issued their sanctions against the EFC.

You know that is the end for the EFC as far as the AFL is concerned.

Rhetoric is one thing reality is another

OD the sanctions to date refer to bringing the game into disrepute. If they are found guilty of systemic PED cheating you can be sure there is more pain to come.

[beelzebub 22,282]

Its not a given that the AFL will materialise as have total mastery of even their own destiny from amongst all of this.

this is Brave new world for not just our domestic code but for team sport globally. Might be a bit more at stake here than some suggest.

[old dee 22,974]

OD the sanctions to date refer to bringing the game into disrepute. If they are found guilty of systemic PED cheating you can be sure there is more pain to come.

That is the nub of the problem ManDee you cannot be.

[beelzebub 22,282]

That is the nub of the problem ManDee you cannot be.

The logical alternate therefore is there are none.

Given the players ( WADA ,Work Cover, other ) and the Pandoras Box it would breach should there be no more sanctions/penalties I cant see how there can be none.

[old dee 22,974]

essendon is but one club. 17 other clubs whose members tally in the 100's of thousands might not/probably dont see it as a natural reflex that this bunch of crooks ought to be spared.

bb we are never going to agree on this subject so I will make this last comment ( well for today )

I don't see any clamour from people both football followers and others for the EFC to be further sanctioned. My experience is most people's eyes glace over when I raise the subject.

Most people will be happy with the players being given some sort of sanction.

They just want it over so the teams can get back to playing.

IMO there is very little support for the EFC to be thrown out and the AFL knows it.

[beelzebub 22,282]

bb we are never going to agree on this subject so I will make this last comment ( well for today )

I don't see any clamour from people both football followers and others for the EFC to be further sanctioned. My experience is most people's eyes glace over when I raise the subject.

Most people will be happy with the players being given some sort of sanction.

They just want it over so the teams can get back to playing.

IMO there is very little support for the EFC to be thrown out and the AFL knows it.

OD...World Sport may need an example made of someone !! Thats the point. its not about Ess in an AFL context its them as a sporting team in 'any' code.

Im given to understand the vast majority of coaches alone , let alone rest of the various clubs admins etc are not overly protective of ess in their current plight.

Edited March 11, 2015 by beelzebub

[Dees2014 2,377]

I don't understand where the sweetheart deal is in my hypothesized scenario. The penalty i set out is in line with the WADA penelaites. The only wrinkle is whether WADA would accept the duped argument and halve the penalty. The backdating ASADA have already said is a possible (ie to the time of issuing of notices in November last year). The EFC losing 17 of its (best) players for a full season is huge so it would satisfy WADA and ASADA i would expect (but not the Hird media club). The players will be furious but will accept it to get it over and done with.

Besides you have previously said you agree with my guess on the outcome

I don't agree they will halve the penalty. I think they will serve the full two years, and i seem to remember the ASADA offer of backdated penalties was made before Hird, Little and Essendon tied up the whole process in the courts challenging ASADA's methods and its association with the AFL. This will not be viewed kindly by ASADA and WADA. I seem to remember when ASADA was asked recently about backdating penalties for Essendon they pointedly refused to answer.

I believe the least penalties ASADA/WADA will accept are two year bans dated from the day the penalties are announced, and if it covers more than two players (more than likely), then Essendon may also find themselves banned for a time. Then let the writs fly.

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

So any ban the players serve, does that include training as well? That's basically career over for anyone 25 and over you would think. Sue for lost wages for time of suspension, future lost earnings, pain and suffering, what are we looking at- ballpark figure? 2-5 mill a head? 60 mill plus?

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

To me the most interesting aspect about this entire saga is the assumption that the AFL has its own best interest at heart and not that of the players.

That we, the football-going public, believe this to be true is a real indictment of our game. We know the AFL will attempt to back-room deal and politic its way out of this mess.

And we have good reason for believing this to be true.

The fact that WADA and CAS have the final say is good, but the way the AFL conducts business is simply appalling and honestly I think it's a larger threat to the game than the doping scandal itself.

[Oneday 248]

When do we find out how hard the EFC have been hit with a wet tram ticket?

[ManDee 7,093]

That is the nub of the problem ManDee you cannot be.

OD I am as sure that EFC have more pain to come as I am that the sun will come up tomorrow. I may be deluded, I may be misinformed but I bet you $1 that there is more pain in-store for EFC

NB:- $1 is my maximum bet on anything. Bragging rights are more important than the money.

[old dee 22,974]

OD I am as sure that EFC have more pain to come as I am that the sun will come up tomorrow. I may be deluded, I may be misinformed but I bet you $1 that there is more pain in-store for EFC

NB:- $1 is my maximum bet on anything. Bragging rights are more important than the money.

I will take your bet but first we have to agree on what "more pain for the EFC" is?

I mean that the AFL will not impose more penalties on the EFC as such.

Player penalties do not count. neither do penalties by work safe.

Agree?