Demonland Player of the Year - Round 17

[bjDee 1,249]

1. Viney

Riley

Pederson

N. Jones

Howe

Garland

[Dockett 32 1,237]

Viney

Riley

McDonald

Garland

Howe

Dawes

[P-man 13,366]

He is not above criticism. He is a very good player on his day who gives his all but he was assigned a role yesterday and proved how big a gap there is between him and the elite. There is such a thing as trying too hard and trying to do too much and he showed that in spades yesterday.

Sorry but this is nonsense. He's previously managed to silence Murphy and Cotchin whilst being damaging going the other way. One quarter where Selwood got off the chain doesn't cancel out everything else he's done.

You're canning the bloke with the most tackles on the ground as putting in a "selfish display". Get real. He may be overambitious at times, probably because he's our best player and captain. That is very different to selfishness.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,836]

Sorry but this is nonsense. He's previously managed to silence Murphy and Cotchin whilst being damaging going the other way. One quarter where Selwood got off the chain doesn't cancel out everything else he's done.

You're canning the bloke with the most tackles on the ground as putting in a "selfish display". Get real. He may be overambitious at times, probably because he's our best player and captain. That is very different to selfishness.

I am judging him on this game alone not his others. He did not stick to his role in the first when the game was there for a captain to show the way. He on at least 4 occasions called for the ball when he was clearly not in the best position and it caused us to turn the ball over. He instead of giving off first option which he has been doing ran himself into trouble on at least three occasions that I can recall. I am not saying he has not had a good year but in a game where the coach stated we needed our mature players to show the way he was clearly found wanting.

[Demonland 70,251]

Six rounds to go and Nathan Jones has a stranglehold on the player of the year.

164. Nathan Jones

106. Dom Tyson

100. Lynden Dunn

74. Jack Viney

71. Bernie Vince

60. Daniel Cross

45. Tom McDonald

44. Matt Jones

41. Cam Pedersen

40. Jack Watts

37. Chris Dawes James Frawley

35. Mark Jamar

34. Jeremy Howe

18. Jack Grimes

15. Aidan Riley

13. Neville Jetta Dean Kent

11. Rohan Bail

10. Jordie McKenzie

8. Jay Kennedy-Harris

6. Alexis Georgiou Jimmy Toumpas

4. Dean Terlich

3. Jack Trengove

2. Shannon Byrnes Jake Spencer

1. Max Gawn

[Axis of Bob 11,157]

Agreed. Jones is a good player, which is not in doubt.

However this thread is about how people played this week only. He had a job to do and was beaten easily.

That's not to say he isn't a good player, but he didn't deserve votes yesterday.

[P-man 13,366]

I am judging him on this game alone not his others. He did not stick to his role in the first when the game was there for a captain to show the way. He on at least 4 occasions called for the ball when he was clearly not in the best position and it caused us to turn the ball over. He instead of giving off first option which he has been doing ran himself into trouble on at least three occasions that I can recall. I am not saying he has not had a good year but in a game where the coach stated we needed our mature players to show the way he was clearly found wanting.

You made the comment that it "proved how big a gap there is between him and the elite", which is a general statement going beyond his game yesterday, and it's wrong. The gap isn't as great as you suggest, and he's proven that on numerous occasions.

Jones clearly suffered from the same condition as everyone else in the side yesterday - a lack of faith in his teammates. With due cause I would suggest. His decisions were found wanting, but I'm more than happy for him to take on the responsibility himself when more often than not it has worked for him.

Saying it's unthinkable that the man with the most touches and most tackles could get votes is crazy enough, but to call him "selfish" is criminally unfair on a player who gives his absolute all for this club, indeed has carried it on his shoulders for a long time, and nothing you can say will make me agree to it.

Edited July 13, 2014 by P-man

[P-man 13,366]

I'll add that I'll concede he didn't have a great game, but no-one did. Viney and Riley had a good game, and those two were the only ones truly deserving of votes. But when you have six players to choose out of a rabble, Jones gets a nod and I don't think that's outrageous.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,836]

I'll add that I'll concede he didn't have a great game, but no-one did. Viney and Riley had a good game, and those two were the only ones truly deserving of votes. But when you have six players to choose out of a rabble, Jones gets a nod and I don't think that's outrageous.

Jones had a job in the first quarter when the game was there to be won. His opponent had 14 possessions and was easily the most influential player on the ground. That alone should exclude him from the votes. We don't need to agree but you can respect my opinion. I am not trashing his worth to the club or as a player but in my eyes his game yesterday was a major step backwards into the player I hoped he had become.

[P-man 13,366]

Jones had a job in the first quarter when the game was there to be won. His opponent had 14 possessions and was easily the most influential player on the ground. That alone should exclude him from the votes. We don't need to agree but you can respect my opinion. I am not trashing his worth to the club or as a player but in my eyes his game yesterday was a major step backwards into the player I hoped he had become.

I respect your opinion and admit I may be sensitive to having the player who has kept me believing in the club for the past three years being labelled selfish, but I stand by my comments.

Edited July 13, 2014 by P-man

[dimmy 1,282]

Viney's effective dispoal rate wa 50 % which in effectively 10 times it went to our advantage ( but you have to admire his endeavour for such a young bloke.

Actually Jermey Howe and Jack Grimes were our most effective disposals for us. Grimes @ 88% 17 disposals Jeremy 21 @ 82. Nathan J was also effective, but not in kicking to our Forwards advantage.

That is why we do not score so well.

[Dockett 32 1,237]

I don't think Jonesy is selfish but Cross's loss hasn't helped him or the side and it showed yesterday and probably the past couple, so it unfortunate.

Cross has improved the midfield and his experience would have been handy yesterday especially around Selwood , but Selwood is no mug.

[P-man 13,366]

D’Land Player of the Year Unofficial Tally

(sample of 10 voters each week)

Name - votes (number of games scoring 10+ votes - number of games played - average time on ground%)

1. N Jones - 488 (11 - 16 - 86.9%)
2. Dunn - 340 (8 - 16 - 96.5%)
3. Tyson - 282 (7 - 16 - 77.0%)
4. Viney - 275 (8 - 14 - 77.9%)
5. Cross - 227 (9 - 13 - 88.3%)
6. Pedersen - 214 (6 - 16 - 88.9%)
7. Vince - 204 (8 - 16 - 82.8%)
8. Howe - 142 (5 - 16 - 91.9%)
9. Dawes - 139 (3 - 12 - 88.9%)
10. Jamar - 136 (3 - 11 - 82.1%)
11. McDonald - 121 (4 - 15 - 92.4%)
12. M Jones - 117 (2 - 16 - 80.7%)
13. Watts - 113 (4 - 16 - 85.7%)
14. Jetta - 106 (5 - 10 - 83.3%)
15. Frawley - 101 (3 - 15 - 91.1%)
16. Grimes - 86 (3 - 16 - 91.0%)
17. Kent - 52 (2 - 7 - 73.3%)
18. Riley (1 - 4 - 50.8%) - 49
19. Kennedy-Harris - 33 (2 - 11 - 58.2%)
20. Spencer - 23 (1 - 5 - 81.6%)

Bail - 21 (1 - 16 - 84.7%)

Georgiou - 20 (1 - 7 - 82.9%)

McKenzie - 16 (0 - 5 - 82.5%)

Garland - 14 (0 - 9 - 92%)

Byrnes - 10 (1 - 6 - 69.2%)

Terlich - 10 (0 - 14 - 76.9%)

Toumpas - 9 (0 - 4 - 66.8%)

Gawn - 8 (0 - 5 - 72.2%)

Salem - 3 (0 - 10 - 55%)

Trengove - 3 (0 - 2 - 91.0%)

Barry (2), Evans (3), Fitzpatrick (3), Nicholson (1), Tapscott (1)

Best 5 per round (in order of votes):

Rd 1 (St K): Watts, N Jones, Dunn, Tyson, Vince

Rd 2 (WC) N Jones, Dunn, Tyson, Cross, Frawley

Rd 3 (GWS): Tyson, Pedersen, Howe, McDonald, Cross

Rd 4 (Carl): N Jones, Frawley, Grimes, Spencer, Bail

Rd 5 (GC): N Jones, Viney, Dawes, Frawley, Cross

Rd 6 (Syd): Dunn, Pedersen, M Jones, N Jones, Vince

Rd 7 (Adel): Dawes, Viney, Tyson, JKH, Vince/Jamar/Jetta

Rd 8 (WB): Tyson, Jamar, Cross, Howe, Viney

Rd 9 (Rich): N Jones, Pedersen, Tyson, Viney, Howe

Rd 10 (Bye)

Rd 11 (Port): Dunn, Tyson/Pedersen, Jetta, N Jones, Cross

Rd 12 (Coll): Dunn/N Jones, Pedersen, Vince, Jetta, Cross

Rd 13 (Ess): Dunn, N Jones, Kent, Jetta, Grimes

Rd 14 (Nth): Vince, Cross, Dawes, Dunn, Watts

Rd 15 (WB): Jamar, Howe, Viney, Grimes, Vince

Rd 16 (Fre): McDonald, M Jones, N Jones, Viney, Kent

Rd 17 (Geel): Viney, Riley, Howe, Pedersen, McDonald

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

Anyone who says anything bad against Nathan Jones actually is an imbecile. The blokes been carrying this team for 4 years now, is the heart and soul of this club and a living legend.

If him, as our key midfielder, goes and gets his own footy whilst trying to stop Selwood too is being selfish, so be it. Let him do what he wants! He is our only elite player.

Dont want to go early on this but N.Jones is going to go down as one of the MFC's all time greats by the time he's done. Hes flown the flag through one of the most tumultuous times in the Clubs history.

Hes shown guts and determination when all around him were flying the white flag.

Cant see him retiring without at least 3 B&Fs.

Hes gone from a guy who couldnt kick and was a bit self focussed to one of recent memories inspiring Captains.

Its a pleasure to watch this career play out, regardless of the results around him.

Yes, he didnt have his best game this week but hes a ripper.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

6. Riley

5. Viney

4. Howe

3. McDonald

2. Frawley

1. Dawes

Only really happy with the first three, though. The last three was a bit of a raffle with votes given more for effort than output.

[nutbean 8,838]

Good player Donkey. Hope he's contracted for next year. Smartest player we've got.

now you are just making an ass of yourself ( boom tish...thank you - I'll be here all week)