You say that a deal was done like it is fact, RP. Is that first, second or third hand knowledge?

You have your views, I have mine - we have both expressed them and people can decide whether they see my delineation of the facts as correct or yours - or whether they care.

You can let it go now.

You say that like it is fact - is it?

First, second or third hand knowledge?

I feel a strange sense of de ja vu but I see no reason to believe he is gone. Why are so many so quick to this judgement?

We are a different club. I feel like we are 9 rounds old.

Saw an interview of an MFC official (can't remember who) who was talking in general terms about the draft. About 4-5 years ago. So second hand.

I don't think Hogan is gone, but I also think Mitch Clark could come back.

Just noticed this in the following article on Real Footy Demons Improvements Lift Spirits:

...In more promising news for the Dees, young forward Jesse Hogan, who has battled a back complaint this season, is likely to return to training this week after a two-week holiday at home in Perth.

“Obviously being the promising young player he [Hogan] is, he’s going to be a very good player, we just want to make sure he gets 100 per cent right before we push him back into it,” Fitzpatrick said.

“He’s back at the club now and hopefully he can build up and see how he goes.”

An actual post about Jesse Hogan's injury in the 'Jesse Hogan Injury Update' section........how refreshing!

An actual post about Jesse Hogan's injury in the 'Jesse Hogan Injury Update' section........how refreshing!

Well, hold back on your refreshment - I don't think a journo reading too much into vague platitudes from Fitz means anything.

Just noticed this in the following article on Real Footy Demons Improvements Lift Spirits:

...In more promising news for the Dees, young forward Jesse Hogan, who has battled a back complaint this season, is likely to return to training this week after a two-week holiday at home in Perth.

“Obviously being the promising young player he [Hogan] is, he’s going to be a very good player, we just want to make sure he gets 100 per cent right before we push him back into it,” Fitzpatrick said.

“He’s back at the club now and hopefully he can build up and see how he goes.”

Same article says that Viv Michie has yet to make his debut and Aidan Riley is going well at the Scorpions.

Same article says that Viv Michie has yet to make his debut and Aidan Riley is going well at the Scorpions.

I also hear that Mitch Clark is a chance to play round 1 2014

You have your views, I have mine - we have both expressed them and people can decide whether they see my delineation of the facts as correct or yours - or whether they care.

You can let it go now.

I'm concerned that you feel the need to turn things in to a popularity contest just so you can justify to yourself that your opinion/s could be right.

At times I do think you live in quite a sad world RP. You live in Canberra from memory? Probably explains a lot.

I've officially "let it go". Good day.

FWIW, this article lists Jesse as 3 weeks out

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-afl-barometer-whos-hot-whos-not-and-whos-in-line-for-selection-in-round-10/story-fncufbo5-1226922729390

I'm concerned that you feel the need to turn things in to a popularity contest just so you can justify to yourself that your opinion/s could be right.

At times I do think you live in quite a sad world RP. You live in Canberra from memory? Probably explains a lot.

I've officially "let it go". Good day.

You're a lovely person.

As for the first line - we are writing our nonsense on a forum - there is no other reason for us to post other than to get the likeminded people on here to read what we post.

You have said your piece, now leave me in peace.

Edited May 19, 201411 yr by rpfc

FWIW, this article lists Jesse as 3 weeks out

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-afl-barometer-whos-hot-whos-not-and-whos-in-line-for-selection-in-round-10/story-fncufbo5-1226922729390

. I saw that. And unlike another time when the gun had the injury list completely wrong (as if they had accidentally used an list) all the other info, including the week for Dawes, was accurate and up to date. Too good to be true? A cruel hoax? Accurate?

I will not believe Jesse will play this year until I see him run out on the ground, a back injury like that just strikes me as a 12 month injury

3 things..

Getting Viney at 26 was a massive win for us.

Off loading Scully and getting generous compo, massive win for us.

Dom Tyson/Salem trade, massive win for us.

Those are 3 things that have gone right for us.

Once Hogan performs, Viney tears it up and Salem shows how good he is, it will look like a great couple of years drafting.

We didn't need a PP last year, I'd of taken it though. But our list is starting to look dangerous.

I'll assume I'm meant to pronounce 'tears' rhyming with 'pears' and not 'fears'. If I'm wrong, let me know and I'll, er, cry.

You're labouring under a serious delusion.

It's an impossibility that we could have had those 4 in the same draft. Yet alone then trading pick 20 (or similar) for Chris Dawes. Been thrashed out here before, but you seem to be one of the few who still doesn't get it.

Under your scenario, our original picks 3, 4 and 14 might have got us Viney, Wines or Toumpas and then Grundy … but then pick 26 was never going to be enough to get us Dawes. We could have used pick 26 on … I don't know, how about the player who went one pick before our 26, at pick 25 - Spencer White, KPF. Name ring a bell? Taken by St Kilda. Yet to play a game. Or pick 27? James Stewart. One match last year for GWS, 2 disposals.

So, in the real world, instead of:

Viney, Toumpas, Hogan, Dawes plus Dom Barry

we could have had

Viney, Toumpas, Grundy …. then … someone else.

In the real world Viney was taken at pick 26 as a father/son selection.

FMD please tell me again how good and injury free was Nick Reiwoldt in his first year, Dangerfield, Goodes, Hanneberry and more recently Talia.

I think you lost credibility when you mentioned "Neeld could have kept his job"

By the way have you actually seen Hogan play live

I think you missed the context of what I was saying in regards to Neeld.

It wasn't pumping up his tires, it was to emphasise the magnitude of the picks given away in the trade (i.e potentially good enough to prolong a bad coach's career).

Don't look too interested Jesse!!

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The boys giving back to the Community, pictured here at Cranbourne East Primary.

12:23 PM - 20 May 2014

Don't look too interested Jesse!!

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The boys giving back to the Community, pictured here at Cranbourne East Primary.

12:23 PM - 20 May 2014

Same could be said for the guy on Trengove's left ( Garland I think ) not sure this proves much of anything.

Same could be said for the guy on Trengove's left ( Garland I think ) not sure this proves much of anything.

Id have fallen asleep , they did a good job staying awake

Same could be said for the guy on Trengove's left ( Garland I think ) not sure this proves much of anything.

Think it might be Evans instead of player x.

Think it might be Evans instead of player x.

Evans rather than Garland? Or rather than Hogan?

Evans rather than Garland? Or rather than Hogan?

L-R

Trengove, Evans, Kent, Strauss, Hogan.... Geez Demonland

Same could be said for the guy on Trengove's left ( Garland I think ) not sure this proves much of anything.

If that's Garland, I want some of whatever he's using to grow hair on his head. On Saturday he had a shaved head. I wish I could grow hair that fast. In fact, I just wish I could grow hair.

If that's Garland, I want some of whatever he's using to grow hair on his head. On Saturday he had a shaved head. I wish I could grow hair that fast. In fact, I just wish I could grow hair.

That makes two of us

Gawn will be twice the ruckman/forward that Grundy ever could be. If you don't believe me, watch him towel him on GB.

I certainly hope so, because if that does happen i'd say we probably win the game, having said that i still rate Grundy as a great player of the future.

I think Hogan was thinking. Don't ask me questions I don't know the answers to.

I better sit up straight or my back wont get better.

Edited May 21, 201411 yr by Chippy

BOOM Melbourne youngster Jesse Hogan has not given up hope of making his highly-anticipated AFL debut this year, despite being placed on the Demon’s long-term injury list.

The power forward broke down with stress fractures in his back on the eve of Round 1 and suffered a setback last month when he tried to resume training.

But Hogan, 19, is expected to see a specialist this week and when given the all-clear will start running again.

Hogan is fresh from two weeks at home in Perth and could be get a start around Round 17 or 18.

But the Dees will maintain their ultraconservative approach on the man they secured through the 2012 mini-draft and are confident once fit again the issue will no longer plague him.

It is believed Hogan is fighting stress reactions in more than one bone in his lower back, a condition which can affect fast bowlers in cricket.

Hogan won the Casey Scorpions’ best-and-fairest last year, booting 39.21 from 15 appearances for the Dees’ VFL affiliate.

He played one NAB Challenge match — against Geelong in Alice Springs — which is where his back injury originated.