Never in doubt.

Bail should never play again. I'd rather 17 on the field

is Roos just seeing what he has to work with?

No other reason why we would carry so many hacks in the team

What tickets do I buy to sit next to the race and throw my membership at them?

Quality draft picks that we've used on Morton, Cook, Gysberts, Dawes, Strauss, Blease, Tapscott, Maric.

We are paying for those picks. We did not draft well at all.

Those players should be really hitting their straps around now - yet we are getting nothing, it is a BIG gap in drafting.

Pile that on top of GC and GWS concessions, when we tailed out.

I am not surprised we are ordinary, I am only surprised that others are surprised.

Tackles

Vince - 0

Tyson - 1

Howe - 0

Grimes - 2

Trengove - 2

Quality draft picks that we've used on Morton, Cook, Gysberts, Dawes, Strauss, Blease, Tapscott, Maric.

We are paying for those picks. We did not draft well at all.

I can live with Dawes but add in Toumpas.

Jones, Tyson absolute beauties. One of these 2 will win our best and fairest this year.
Cross a good, old warrior.
Vince will be very good for us, but we already knew that.
JKH gets better and better as he gets game time. Needs to play a full game next week.
Toumpas is slow, yes but he is getting better, just ignore the Wines comparison and you'll see this as it clouds your view.
Dunn, good. I use to slag him big time but he has dropped some weight, got rid of that terrible mo' and has turned into an important player for us.

The rest…yikes...

Football is a strange game have a look at the stats

We beat them in most columns but still get smashed on the score board, would having a forward line change it I don't know yea it would help but we get enough of the ball but butcher it, I really hope Roos sees the light and gets on the front foot and commit for the extra year at least I don't think we can really judge us properly until we have a proper forward line and I can't see us winning a game till that happens, I really hope we don't finish last but if GWS win next week we will be 2 games behind and it will be hard to catch up.

Are we now eligible for a priority pick AD

we were beaten by a very very good team today, so the result isn't surprising.

Happy with the improvement

They beat us at the MCG last season by 96 points

This time it was only 93

Great effort boys

I must have completely lost my marbles, because yet again I thought the scoreboard made it look worse than it was. I accept that I have probably gone certifiably insane as an emotional response, so you need not comment as such.

I't not as bad as it looks.

Bail should never play again. I'd rather 17 on the field

At least he gives his all, could be a good player but his disposal has been below average.

Gave Pedersen a clean start under a new coach, he has lost me again. Had a chance to smash a pack from the side and kill the ball, took a look running in and changed his line avoiding body contact and coming in at the back behind four people. Not good enough and was pretty much useless today IMO.

disposal is disgraceful in general.

What really got to me was the smothers, WC would have had over 10 if you include the handballs killed, can only remember 2 for us, JKH when he came on and Terlich in the last.

Also the wasted balls in the forward 50, reckon about 4 or 5 times we could have had a shot from close to the fifty but instead tried to make impossible passes, turning the ball over.

Grasping at straws, but on a positive not, the guys Roos has bought into the team have been pretty good, Vince and Tyson did pretty well, Michie showed signs in his third game, ditto JKH in his second and Georgiou was far from our worse. Similarly, his decision on making Chunky captain is proving correct.

Happy with the improvement

They beat us at the MCG last season by 96 points

This time it was only 93

Great effort boys

what's more important is that the stats were almost even, and we beat them in some key areas.

We clearly just don't have forwards. So believe it or not, there was vast improvement.

At least we saw this coming

Roos can cut whoever the hell he wants at season's end. Jones and Tyson are safe. That's it.

Trengove and watts are not living up to their draft pick status. Grimes can't kick. Jones tries very hard but skill errors lead to turnovers. Spencer is not afl standard. We desperately need some forwards. Howe doesn't care. There is a general lack of intensity

It was a horrible mismatch on paper, but I had some faith that we'd provide a contest. I was wrong.

It amazes me how good Tyson has been (plus the older recruits, too) and the +ive flow on effect it has on Nate Jones, we have Paul Roos, yet we're still going down by 15 goals.

Four ruckman on the ground with one of them turning 32. Some how we have the least effective. That's how far back we are coming from.

I must have completely lost my marbles, because yet again I thought the scoreboard made it look worse than it was. I accept that I have probably gone certifiably insane as an emotional response, so you need not comment as such.

If you seen the Simpson interview at half time, you could see he was furious.

The scoreboard flattered us, West Coast should've piled on another 30-40 points.

I haven't looked at the draw, but I sure as hell hope we don't play them over in WA anytime soon.

You look at the stats, and you look at the scoreboard and you'd think they were from different games. We matched or bettered them in many areas.

They were just so much more efficient with ball in hand.

The way I see it is we're looking at a generation of failure at this club (i.e. 10+ years in the bottom half) and if this doesn't see the club fold or merge I'll be very surprised. I'm not advocating tearing up memberships or not renewing if you haven't already as that will simply accelerate what is seemingly inevitable. Two games in and the season is shot for what is it now, the 8th year in a row!? I can't watch them play any more (living in Perth by the way), because I become angry, despondant, and finally depressed. My 6 year old son was barracking for the Dees at the start of the game but after the end of the first half had simply gone off to play in the other room as he wasn't at all interested in hanging around to see a team get blown apart. I don't blame him. I think we're looking at the end of the Demons supporter base with my generation X, maybe some in the 90s who witnessed the yo-yo Daniher years (sadly years and memories that I crave so badly now), but surely our support base from those born in the late 90s onwards must be close to nil. How is that sustainable?

We're royally screwed.

Has anyone done any statistical analysis of where our last 7 seasons rank in terms of how bad we are relative to the history of AFL. I reckon we would have to be up there. Even with the soft wins against GWS and GC when they started out.

Hopefully we win some games this year, but no one could honestly be thinking we could be winning a lot! So add this season in the analysis too!

I haven't looked at the draw, but I sure as hell hope we don't play them over in WA anytime soon.

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The AFL have kindly given us that to look forward to in Round 22.