Kind of odd that the saints have now won two games on the back of their opposition missing too many gettable shots. I wonder if this trend will continue.

Also as a side note: What odds on Reiwald for brownlow?

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Also as a side note: What odds on Reiwald for brownlow?

shortening every week

Take your chances, that's the lesson the saints have shown. They did it against us, now they've done it against the Giants.

Last year Port beat Melbourne in rd 1 and then GWS in rd 2.

This year the same has happened with St.Kilda.

Just saying.

And St Kilda could make the 8 this year. All you have to in this industry is win and that's what they're doing. It's a foreign concept to us.

Yep. Winning ugly is still 4 points.

And St Kilda could make the 8 this year. All you have to in this industry is win and that's what they're doing. It's a foreign concept to us.

MFCSS classic.

Other bad team wins. To make MFC look worse, make other bad team sound a lot better than they actually are, leaving us behimd them.

St Kilda are crap. Their wins have been against us and GWS FFS, hardly finals form. They were dominated for extended periods in both games and could easily (and should, today) have lost both.

Ridiculous statement.

Really? We have enough small-bodied players that lack poise and miss targets already.

He really was a poor #1 pick. Talent-wise, the worst of the past decade IMO. Looked good in 2010 but had weaknesses then and has not improved these an iota since then. Lucky for him that he can escape the scrutiny playing for a team that nobody cares about, and lucky for us that we got another bite at the cherry.

Josh Kelly does look VERY good, although Tyson's only 2 years older and was just as impressive last week. Then there's Salem.. so I don't think we need to be too worried.

We could do with his run. He still creates space and gets to many contests.

I'm so glad somebody else said that.

I'm off to the Swans game tonight, if they beat Collingwood, that would make us better than both Sydney and Collingwood, yeah?

We'd be close to premiership favourites if that happened.

Last year Port beat Melbourne in rd 1 and then GWS in rd 2.

This year the same has happened with St.Kilda.

Just saying.

And they have Alan RIchardson, who was assistant coach under Ken Hinkley.... What. The. Crap.

lol @ anyone saying the Saints are any good and will make even make the 8

they will finish bottom 4 guaranteed

They have narrowly beaten us and GWS and were outplayed in both games

Melbourne will finish above them

hey just sayin , am looking at swans game v filth that is the worst game of footy ever , crap , commentators raving about pressure , phhht skills are crap fgs who is the spud playing with pies with the white head band on , ?????

lol @ anyone saying the Saints are any good and will make even make the 8

they will finish bottom 4 guaranteed

They have narrowly beaten us and GWS and were outplayed in both games

Melbourne will finish above them

I disagree.

Right now we're favourites for the spoon.

Last year Port beat Melbourne in rd 1 and then GWS in rd 2.

This year the same has happened with St.Kilda.

Just saying.

Eureka! It's a sign!

Just saying...

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And St Kilda could make the 8 this year. All you have to in this industry is win and that's what they're doing. It's a foreign concept to us.

Oh it's that easy...winning.

Have you contemplated that both wins were against weakened (MFC) or developing (GWS) teams? Both sides are assessed as being bottom quartile sides this year. And St Kilda were also assessed similarly. They have not really beaten any side of real merit.

You are going to need between 12 to 15 wins over the year to make the 8. Notwithstanding their relatively easier draw, where are those wins going to come from?

I think you are counting chickens....

Eureka! It's a sign!

Just saying...

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Oh it's that easy...winning.

Have you contemplated that both wins were against weakened (MFC) or developing (GWS) teams? Both sides are assessed as being bottom quartile sides this year. And St Kilda were also assessed similarly. They have not really beaten any side of real merit.

You are going to need between 12 to 15 wins over the year to make the 8. Notwithstanding their relatively easier draw, where are those wins going to come from?

I think you are counting chickens....

Rhino, we kept saying that about Port last year, re: only beating bottom sides early in the year. However they gained confidence and belief and ended up playing finals.

I wouldn't de-value St Kilda's 2-0 start, regardless of opposition.

They only beat what was put out to them and full credit to them. Plus it helps when their gun forward is back to career best form.

I think st Kilda can win 10 games this year. Finals are probably a bit our of their reach but you never know.

Rhino, we kept saying that about Port last year, re: only beating bottom sides early in the year. However they gained confidence and belief and ended up playing finals.

I wouldn't de-value St Kilda's 2-0 start, regardless of opposition.

They only beat what was put out to them and full credit to them. Plus it helps when their gun forward is back to career best form.

I think st Kilda can win 10 games this year. Finals are probably a bit our of their reach but you never know.

I reckon they'll be lucky to double their current tally to four wins by the end of the season.

The last two games illustrate the difference between three well drilled sides - quality.

Moving past the pleasure of saying the MFC was well drilled (we looked like a team - hallelujah), the Saints have a star player still enjoying his prime - neither we or the Giants have that just yet.

The hubris on here before the Saints game was startling - especially considering where we are coming from.

As Bernie Vince said last week - we need everyone on the ground pulling int the same direction at near capacity to win games because we don't have those few 'star' quality players that exist in our league.

Whatever you wish to call them - there are about 40 of these players every year (maybe less?) and in close games they are the ones shaping the result to their side.

Roos can get us well drilled but in games that can go either way - we are going to struggle.

Rhino, we kept saying that about Port last year, re: only beating bottom sides early in the year. However they gained confidence and belief and ended up playing finals.

I wouldn't de-value St Kilda's 2-0 start, regardless of opposition.

They only beat what was put out to them and full credit to them. Plus it helps when their gun forward is back to career best form.

I think st Kilda can win 10 games this year. Finals are probably a bit our of their reach but you never know.

Don't agree at all, Rd 1 last year Port Belted us

Saints have been outplayed in both their games this year, finishing and injuries cost us

and i felt the Giants were the better of the two teams last night too, Jeremy Cameron kicking 1 goal 3 doesn't help

Don't agree at all, Rd 1 last year Port Belted us

Saints have been outplayed in both their games this year, finishing and injuries cost us

and i felt the Giants were the better of the two teams last night too, Jeremy Cameron kicking 1 goal 3 doesn't help

Wasn't just Cameron though, they missed a stack of simple shots late.

You're right though. Port dominated Round 1 last year. Total dominance. This year, St Kilda struggled. For periods we were unquestionably better. Overall, we had no polish in front of goal, but if we had we'd have won. Major difference, poor comparison.

Sculls is a good average player. Nowhere near being worth the dollars paid

There will come a time soon where GWS will need to consider if he is in their best 22. The only thing balanced in his favour is his elite endurance. Gets the ball but seriously torches it time and time again. Too small to hold or break tackles. We certainly dodged a bullett with the return we got for him.