I'd be lying if I said the key forward situation wasn't seriously starting to grate on me. I'm trying to be patient, trying very bloody hard, but it's just ridiculous the luck we've had.

At this stage, I'm leaning towards Dawes being a mistake.

So damn filthy at our luck with these guys. So much promise, sitting in the stands, or not even that.

End rant. Sorry fellas. Had a gutful atm. I think Saturday is still burning in my gut.

Just wait til Hogan finally comes good then pisses off to Freo *ducks for cover*

remember when Clark had 4 goals at quarter time against GWS before getting injured

life was sweet for about 20 minutes

Just wait til Hogan finally comes good then pisses off to Freo *ducks for cover*

Been thinking the same thing....for a while. Lyon has committed to Freo for a number of years and they're a fair chance this year.

FFS just go out and get 3 new key forwards at the end of this season. Sick of this crap.

We have to assume Clark and Dawes won't play meaningful football this year, and as a result of so few wins for the MFC, Hogan will be jumping ship at the first opportunity.

To be perfectly truthful I've just presumed that Hogan is destined for Freo since the moment we recruited him.

Hopefully I'm wrong!

To be perfectly truthful I've just presumed that Hogan is destined for Freo since the moment we recruited him.

Hopefully I'm wrong!

Well one option is to make him out marquee player and give him 5mil over 5 years.

remember when Clark had 4 goals at quarter time against GWS before getting injured

life was sweet for about 20 minutes

Seems like a lifetime ago doesn't it. I just constantly shake my head at our rotten luck, and I know other teams have it as well but any time it seems like we've finally got something good something happens. And it wasn't even just a simple injury, or a standard serious injury (like knee reco etc), it was an injury that destroys careers.

I don't blame you at all P-man for having had a gutful, it is beyond frustrating that we have what any team in the competition would describe as a quality stock of KPP and of them every single one of our forwards are out and it appears that we may lose another defender this week.

Will there ever be a time where we actually ride a wave of good luck?

How many teams could have an injury list of 9 players and 7 of them KPP's/rucks? It is beyond farcical and the thing is there is a few of them I can't see playing anytime soon.

I'd be lying if I said the key forward situation wasn't seriously starting to grate on me. I'm trying to be patient, trying very bloody hard, but it's just ridiculous the luck we've had.

At this stage, I'm leaning towards Dawes being a mistake.

So damn filthy at our luck with these guys. So much promise, sitting in the stands, or not even that.

End rant. Sorry fellas. Had a gutful atm. I think Saturday is still burning in my gut.

With you on this and had been thinking same last year when we couldn't get him on the park.

Rumour has it that Roos and Co were not impressed with Dawes' attitude to his footballing life and he was told to pull his head in and earn his spot back. No actual injury...

How many teams could have an injury list of 9 players and 7 of them KPP's/rucks? It is beyond farcical and the thing is there is a few of them I can't see playing anytime soon.

Freo last year and they went alright, cant see us playing like them though.

I'm with you... Maybe not on that particular quote but the lack of transparency between the club and it's supporter base is pretty disgusting.

I mean, what the hell is the point of the 'injury update' hosted by Burgen when Misson gives us absolutely nothing. Misson's response, especially when it comes to Dawes' injury is absolutely pathetic. They should either tell us what is really going on, or not give injury updates at all.

Dawes clearly has some ongoing injuries with his 'leg', why do we continue to read 2-3 weeks.. Why is everything kept so quiet.

Shits me to tears and expect more as a paid up MFC member.

As I said.... 223 is the new 426 and we can remember how long that went on for.

Rumour has it that Roos and Co were not impressed with Dawes' attitude to his footballing life and he was told to pull his head in and earn his spot back. No actual injury...

Rumours based on what? I'd heard there might have been a few assimilation issues last year with his teammates, but Bernie's taken quite a liking to him so he can't be all that bad.

It could just be a pessimistic attitude to his life at the MFC so far. It's probably a big part of what Roos is trying to fix.

Geez it's bloody hard as a paid up member to hear this injury khrap every doom and gloom year.

Gutful of this with so called elite bloody athletes.

Gutful of club feeding members supporters garbage reports. Just tell the bloody truth.

In a very time crucial period for this club we have a non existent forward line, WTF is going on?

The Eagles can manage to keep all their talls on the park, WTF is this club doing so bad with its fitness program?

Patience is totally screwed with this.

and furthermore... I'd reckon Misso needs to take a few supplements himself. Has he ever seemed upbeat about anything? I reckon that he and Dawes both need to be tasered to get a bit of life back into them.

and furthermore... I'd reckon Misso needs to take a few supplements himself. Has he ever seemed upbeat about anything? I reckon that he and Dawes both need to be tasered to get a bit of life back into them.

I'm with you on that. He's as flat as the nullabor

Rumour has it that Roos and Co were not impressed with Dawes' attitude to his footballing life and he was told to pull his head in and earn his spot back. No actual injury...

so he's got to earn his spot back but he's not allowed to play in the magoos, or train properly, and can only do rehab?

sounds plausible.

so he's got to earn his spot back but he's not allowed to play in the magoos, or train properly, and can only do rehab?

sounds plausible.

it's also in direct contradiction to what absolutely everybody has been saying about his presence around the club

this is what happens when we continue to fail. fingers just start getting pointed in every direction

The playing group will continue to spiral down into a black hole if we can't pull off a win. That's my biggest fear now. The scars must be deeper than even Roos is letting on, and Jonesy's reaction to the loss was pretty telling. It was genuine, heartfelt hurt. I've never seen him so dejected, and that he was so dismissive of all the clear progress (yeah, we lost, but the signs of improvement are there -- hardly a "couldn't have gone worse" result) just shows the mental conditioning these players now have. They expect nothing of themselves.

The playing group will continue to spiral down into a black hole if we can't pull off a win. That's my biggest fear now. The scars must be deeper than even Roos is letting on, and Jonesy's reaction to the loss was pretty telling. It was genuine, heartfelt hurt. I've never seen him so dejected, and that he was so dismissive of all the clear progress (yeah, we lost, but the signs of improvement are there -- hardly a "couldn't have gone worse" result) just shows the mental conditioning these players now have. They expect nothing of themselves.

totally agree - I think that over the last 2 weeks just about all have us have identified with a terrible feeling - that yes, we have made some progress, but we are still so far off the mark, and how exactly are we going to make up any more ground after everything that has already changed...? Well the players, particularly the likes of Jones who have years and years of beltings, must be feeling that about 10 times as hard as we are. How do you generate belief with such baggage hanging over your head.. and having half a side in is just really, really bad timing. Possibly losing your big name forward permanently is just a disaster. The thing that scares me to death is that it won't be long before we are up against a 100-point loss threat, which will just kick everybody in the guts. The other clubs, the media, they'll be all over us again, and pressure will start to go on Roos. It remains to be seen if we are a problem even he can fix, and I certainly can't see much progress with one of the worst injury lists you could imagine. I am just praying that there is a bunch of fine-tuning to be done by the coaches, as we get more match experience, and that there will something in the same hemisphere as our best 22 on the field sometime in the near future. Tough times as usual. Hmmm.

It's where our horrible recruitment for 7 years has come to kill off any short term success now. Even the most basic AFL team has some depth if their best players go down. The cupboards are bare at the Dees and we have nothing but spuds. You could keep our twenty best and start from scratch with the rest and we'd still probably find success faster.

We clearly can't rely on our 'senior' players Pederson and Byrnes to take up the mantle. What a depressing sight that must be on the field for the playing group. I would've felt more comfortable with Nicholson out there Saturday, at least he has speed and could have found space (we needed speedy free targets in the forward 50 but spent so bloody long kicking backwards the Saints flooded our forward fifty and made it impossible to target any small players).

We will go down as a prime example of how a compromised draft at the expense of expansion teams can bring struggling clubs to the brink. Not that it stopped Port Adelaide from finding success, mainly because they didn't have idiots running their club for years on end.

Seems like a lifetime ago doesn't it. I just constantly shake my head at our rotten luck, and I know other teams have it as well but any time it seems like we've finally got something good something happens. And it wasn't even just a simple injury, or a standard serious injury (like knee reco etc), it was an injury that destroys careers.

I don't blame you at all P-man for having had a gutful, it is beyond frustrating that we have what any team in the competition would describe as a quality stock of KPP and of them every single one of our forwards are out and it appears that we may lose another defender this week.

Will there ever be a time where we actually ride a wave of good luck?

We deserve a tsunami!

We were all hoping for a roos led revival and dreaming of a forward line of dawes clark and Hogan, that may or may not eventuate, just imagine if neeld was still in charge, our short term prospects lie in the ability of gawn and other talls to hold down a key forward role, if we can find one it will bode very well for the short and long term

We were all hoping for a roos led revival and dreaming of a forward line of dawes clark and Hogan, that may or may not eventuate, just imagine if neeld was still in charge, our short term prospects lie in the ability of gawn and other talls to hold down a key forward role, if we can find one it will bode very well for the short and long term

If Neeld was in charge the minions would be blaming Neeld, McLardy, Schwab, Connolly, Craig, the bootstudder and Sean Denham for the situation. Given that he's not, we're just blaming fate.

To be perfectly truthful I've just presumed that Hogan is destined for Freo since the moment we recruited him.

Hopefully I'm wrong!

He was at the game with his gf on sat. Im presuming she is a local girl so hopefully theyre still together next year and it has a major bearing on his decision

Looking at the positive side of our injury list, besides our 3 tall forwards it looks like every is available either this week or next. You add Garland down back, get Viney into the mid field, Gawn will play this week and Jamar is almost right.