Campbell Brown sacked!

[Courtney_Fish 183]

Cops don't get respect just because they are cops.

They have to display civility in order to receive it.

Unfortunately, many are pigs who crave respect they never got at school.

Cops should be belittled,abused,pushed and punched when they initiate confrontation in the same manner.

Often they don't know the law and their place in it.

There's good and bad within any group. But these are the guys that will put their lives on the line to protect us and are called on do some of the worst jobs imaginable. I've seen one guy join the police as a happy-go-lucky character. 6 mths later he was still a really nice guy but you could tell he had to face up to some harrowing situations. I've also seen smart-A's trying to provoke police relentlessly without the police reacting. And how many people would still be alive if they paid heed to a cop's warnings?

Edited January 13, 2014 by Courtney_Fish

[Biffen 12,342]

Add me to the list of people that think your attitude totally sucks. I've never met a policeman who treated me with anything but total respect.

Isn't it strange how all the people who whinge about the behaviour of our police force all seem to exhibit similar traits to each other? Those who treat police with respect get treated with respect in return. Those who think "cops should be belittled, abused, pushed and punched" clearly don't understand the law or their place in a civilised society, and frankly I don't blame our police for treating people like you however they deem it necessary in order to maintain their authority and safety.

you omitted the end of my sentence auto-which was crucial .

Unless you like living in a police state where this is tolerated.

I have seen some heavy handed policing.

I don't advocate treating them this way unless it is INITIATED BY THEM.

FYI-I don't treat police this way but i wont be bullied either.

You've missed and changed the point-which is what happens in police states.

Countless corruption and violent charges against the Police in this country prove my point .

I am not an anarchist for insisting they act with the same civility they expect from the public .

As for "people like me"there are many that would prefer they stop beating, tasering , and murdering the citizenry so frequently.

[stuie 7,374]

As for "people like me"there are many that would prefer they stop beating, tasering , and murdering the citizenry so frequently.

Wow. Just wow.

I guess if I asked you for proof of this "murdering the citizenry" you would say it's all been hidden and it's a conspiracy....

[Bitter but optimistic 21,286]

I cannot believe the moral panic that Biffen has stirred up. Some of you poor bastards will accept anything and question nothing. Of course coppers must be questioned. Just as shifty accountants and priests who [censored] little boys must be called to question. If society does not question then we deserve what we get - that may be painfull and it may be up the arse.

[Biffen 12,342]

I cannot believe the moral panic that Biffen has stirred up. Some of you poor bastards will accept anything and question nothing. Of course coppers must be questioned. Just as shifty accountants and priests who [censored] little boys must be called to question. If society does not question then we deserve what we get - that may be painfull and it may be up the arse.

Thank you for your support BBO ,although I know you secretly harbour a penchant for anything in a uniform,like Stu.

[Bitter but optimistic 21,286]

Thank you for your support BBO ,although I know you secretly harbour a penchant for anything in a uniform,like Stu.

Stuie in the "Blue Oyster Bar" the stuff of dreams.

[Biffen 12,342]

Stuie in the "Blue Oyster Bar" the stuff of dreams.

Not as off topic as it may appear BBO.

Wasn't there a "lads" bar that stood up to the police somewhere in the state.The Stonewall or something.

[John Crow Batty 8,258]

I had my odd run in with the police over the years. Some cops once tried to get me to sign a blank statement and gave me a few whacks to persuade me. Sure I was guilty but held my nerve. The physical persuasion didn't work so they gave up and we had a nice chat about fast cars and girls whilst they drove me home 20km at 4am. BTW I don't have any convictions. if people act like idiots they will be treated like idiots. Cops are human too and react to provacations just like any person. Most cops don't make it a habit of harrassing innocent people or sensible miscreants. CB is an idiot and any issues he has with the police would most likely be caused by him.

Edited January 13, 2014 by america de cali

[Bitter but optimistic 21,286]

Not as off topic as it may appear BBO.

Wasn't there a "lads" bar that stood up to the police somewhere in the state.The Stonewall or something.

Yes some [censored] happened in New York many years ago at a bar called Stonewall something in Geenwich village new York. Maybe that spawned the village people?

[Moonshadow 16,237]

What's this got to do with Brown-dog? Gas explosions, blue oyster bar, priests and the murder of citizenry? It's a footy forum FFS.

[Bitter but optimistic 21,286]

What's this got to do with Brown-dog? Gas explosions, blue oyster bar, priests and the murder of citizenry? It's a footy forum FFS.

That's the whole point you holier than thou prig! Who gives a shite about brown dog?

[CBDees 3,162]

With respect to you all, except Stuie, there are a lot of police who are to willing to initiate aggression towards members of the public and over using force .

I give respect to most policeman ,until they take it away from themselves.

I know my rights is my point and I live within the law.

I don't know the Campbell Brown story so I can't comment on that .

When cops behave as corporate security guards against citizens protesting anything i have an issue with them and their use of force ,as in other situations i have seen .

That is my opinion on the cops.

So why are you posting on this thread? Maybe you are following the wrong code? With you attitude against authority, perhaps you should be following Victory or the Wanderers when you may find supporters with a similar view.

[DeeSpencer 23,187]

I cannot believe the moral panic that Biffen has stirred up. Some of you poor bastards will accept anything and question nothing. Of course coppers must be questioned. Just as shifty accountants and priests who [censored] little boys must be called to question. If society does not question then we deserve what we get - that may be painfull and it may be up the arse.

I'll question the police. I'm glad we have police integrity departments, media scrutiny and if it comes to it public outcry and protest such as what happened in North Queensland. But I can't remember the last time in Victoria there was even question over police using excessive force in a fatality. Yet as Stuie pointed out just last week 3 police got put into the Alfred ICU with severe burns just doing their job.

Biffen wasn't promoting that we hold police accountable through protest but was actually suggesting that when a protest gets unruly that instead of backing down that when cops come in to control things that they should be abused and punched.

He's obviously had a bad experience at a trade union, G8, save the trees, Tecoma maccas protest etc. I understand that's a trick situation where the cops move in to disseminate what usually start as peaceful protests but the other thing to realise in most of these cases is that the courts +/- have made a decision.

Want to live somewhere where the law can encroach upon you? Move to North Korea when your own nephew can execute you when he feels like it.

[Bitter but optimistic 21,286]

I'll question the police. I'm glad we have police integrity departments, media scrutiny and if it comes to it public outcry and protest such as what happened in North Queensland. But I can't remember the last time in Victoria there was even question over police using excessive force in a fatality. Yet as Stuie pointed out just last week 3 police got put into the Alfred ICU with severe burns just doing their job.

Biffen wasn't promoting that we hold police accountable through protest but was actually suggesting that when a protest gets unruly that instead of backing down that when cops come in to control things that they should be abused and punched.

He's obviously had a bad experience at a trade union, G8, save the trees, Tecoma maccas protest etc. I understand that's a trick situation where the cops move in to disseminate what usually start as peaceful protests but the other thing to realise in most of these cases is that the courts +/- have made a decision.

Want to live somewhere where the law can encroach upon you? Move to North Korea when your own nephew can execute you when he feels like it.

I would possibly reply to this post, but, just at the moment I cannot find a translator to to tell me what you are saying.

Have another try Master.

[Undeeterred 2,864]

I never wanted him at the MFC but after 1 big mistake in LA and only some other minor stuff over the course of his career I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as a person and thought he could have a bit of a media career and redeem his image. But after your horse has won and you are having a good night to start pissing off the cops and get arrested is just utter stupidity. It's hardly huge criminal behaviour but people disrespecting the cops really pisses me off so if his reputation stays in the gutter I'm not too concerned.

Minor stuff???

[Moonshadow 16,237]

I'll question the police. I'm glad we have police integrity departments, media scrutiny and if it comes to it public outcry and protest such as what happened in North Queensland. But I can't remember the last time in Victoria there was even question over police using excessive force in a fatality.

I'm guessing the parents of the teenage boy that was shot dead surrounded by a ring police at the scate park behind Northcote Plaza in 2008 might disagree. Seven shots fired into him, he didn't have a gun. I'm not supporting Biff's antics, but in a truly healthy society, we should feel it is our right to question the authorities that control us, to ensure accountability. I don't put my life on the line for my job, but it's always good to question and make sure those that do are doing it for the right reasons.

[Biffen 12,342]

I'll question the police. I'm glad we have police integrity departments, media scrutiny and if it comes to it public outcry and protest such as what happened in North Queensland. But I can't remember the last time in Victoria there was even question over police using excessive force in a fatality. Yet as Stuie pointed out just last week 3 police got put into the Alfred ICU with severe burns just doing their job.

Biffen wasn't promoting that we hold police accountable through protest but was actually suggesting that when a protest gets unruly that instead of backing down that when cops come in to control things that they should be abused and punched.

He's obviously had a bad experience at a trade union, G8, save the trees, Tecoma maccas protest etc. I understand that's a trick situation where the cops move in to disseminate what usually start as peaceful protests but the other thing to realise in most of these cases is that the courts +/- have made a decision.

Want to live somewhere where the law can encroach upon you? Move to North Korea when your own nephew can execute you when he feels like it.

Funny you mention the G8-a good mate of mine was assaulted by 3 cops trying to enter his workplace in the city ,didn't even know it was on.

People have a right to protest peacefully and stand their ground.

So by your logic,if they do this,they should move to Nth Korea so they have less rights.

Or should society just accept whatever is dished up by the govt and/or private corporation using the police "to control things".

[DeeSpencer 23,187]

Minor stuff???

The trouble on a footy trip in Asia, a boozy night out at Hawthorn and on field suspensions for some rough but not super shocking incidents I would count as minor stuff. I'd say up until these last two incidents Campbell Brown, whilst not a cleanskin was a pretty decent citizen and hardly a footy bad boy.

I'm guessing the parents of the teenage boy that was shot dead surrounded by a ring police at the scate park behind Northcote Plaza in 2008 might disagree. Seven shots fired into him, he didn't have a gun. I'm not supporting Biff's antics, but in a truly healthy society, we should feel it is our right to question the authorities that control us, to ensure accountability. I don't put my life on the line for my job, but it's always good to question and make sure those that do are doing it for the right reasons.

IIRC he had a big knife and wasn't afraid to use it and there was scrutiny and the relevant inquiry in to the polices actions. I'm sure the family were upset but most people in society accepted the police were not unreasonable but needed further mental health training which they got.

[Bitter but optimistic 21,286]

IIRC he had a big knife and wasn't afraid to use it and there was scrutiny and the relevant inquiry in to the polices actions. I'm sure the family were upset but most people in society accepted the police were not unreasonable but needed further mental health training which they got.

Classic.

[DeeSpencer 23,187]

Funny you mention the G8-a good mate of mine was assaulted by 3 cops trying to enter his workplace in the city ,didn't even know it was on.

People have a right to protest peacefully and stand their ground.

So by your logic,if they do this,they should move to Nth Korea so they have less rights.

Or should society just accept whatever is dished up by the govt and/or private corporation using the police "to control things".

I mentioned G8 and some of those other protests as they are controversial I agree. Your mate was either incredibly unlucky, reasonably stupid (did he miss a giant protest) or tried to take a short cut passed police to his job and the on edge police (as protesters are often violent at those sorts of protests) weren't in the mood for smart alecs.

People sure have the right to stand their ground but they don't have the right to interrupt others going about their business. Surely you agree with that. You can't picket my driveway for the sake of protest and stop me leaving my house.

My point is if you don't like your freedoms then maybe think about the rest of the world. As I said the police gets used to control things when the government or courts dictate that what others are doing needs protecting/policing. Your right is to vote. Actually your right is to even run for office. We've just elected a senator for the motoring enthusiasts. If you feel like starting a party that decreases the number of police or what they can do then good luck to you.

[Moonshadow 16,237]

IIRC he had a big knife and wasn't afraid to use it and there was scrutiny and the relevant inquiry in to the polices actions. I'm sure the family were upset but most people in society accepted the police were not unreasonable but needed further mental health training which they got.

Yes he had a knife, and asked the police to shoot him. He was 15, surrounded by trained police pointing guns who used disproportionate force and shot him 7 times. They needed more than mental health training, they needed common sense training.

But that's way off track from Campbell Brown....

[DeeSpencer 23,187]

IIRC he had a big knife and wasn't afraid to use it and there was scrutiny and the relevant inquiry in to the polices actions. I'm sure the family were upset but most people in society accepted the police were not unreasonable but needed further mental health training which they got.

Classic.

This reporting seems to back my recollection pretty well. But yeah good argument.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/two-knives-three-alarmed-police-officers-and-a-scared-little-boy-lies-dead-in-seconds-20081212-6xnm.html

[Bitter but optimistic 21,286]

Yes he had a knife, and asked the police to shoot him. He was 15, surrounded by trained police pointing guns who used disproportionate force and shot him 7 times. They needed more than mental health training, they needed common sense training.

But that's way off track from Campbell Brown....

Well Moon if you were creative, you could have returned to topic by suggesting the police might have shot Campbell Brown the other night.

[Biffen 12,342]

I mentioned G8 and some of those other protests as they are controversial I agree. Your mate was either incredibly unlucky, reasonably stupid (did he miss a giant protest) or tried to take a short cut passed police to his job and the on edge police (as protesters are often violent at those sorts of protests) weren't in the mood for smart alecs.

People sure have the right to stand their ground but they don't have the right to interrupt others going about their business. Surely you agree with that. You can't picket my driveway for the sake of protest and stop me leaving my house.

My point is if you don't like your freedoms then maybe think about the rest of the world. As I said the police gets used to control things when the government or courts dictate that what others are doing needs protecting/policing. Your right is to vote. Actually your right is to even run for office. We've just elected a senator for the motoring enthusiasts. If you feel like starting a party that decreases the number of police or what they can do then good luck to you.

I can picket your driveway to stop you leaving your house but I would expect to be run over.

If i was gathered with several thousand others to protest on public land I would expect to do it unmolested by authorities.

The kid who got shot was an example of terrible policing but there are many more example of good cops I am sure so lets put it to bed or I will be down that driveway burning effigies and making placards as quick as a wink.

[DeeSpencer 23,187]

Yes he had a knife, and asked the police to shoot him. He was 15, surrounded by trained police pointing guns who used disproportionate force and shot him 7 times. They needed more than mental health training, they needed common sense training.

But that's way off track from Campbell Brown....

You go on about the 7 times. They went against procedure with a warning shot after 2 rounds of capsicum spray then they used lethal force. There is no recommended number of shots. They shot him once. Lethal force is exactly that. Police don't get to pick and chose between 1 bullet to a non lethal area or 7 lethally. I believe it was actually 10 shots by 4 police of which 5 hit him. In some ways that is reassuring that the police were so concerned for their safety and that of the communities that 4 of them made a decision. You say it was the wrong one and I hope it was as well because that means things can change in the future but unless you were there how do you know? If you were a cop and someone ran at you with a knife and you had already used capsicum spray twice would you get willingly be stabbed or reach for your weapon?