Why not a 3 or 4 year deal if he's supposedly that good?

Tigers want him gone but are willing to persist if that's what it takes.

Maybe it was Dusty that asked for 2 year deal. Don't know. And i don't get your last bit McQueen - they want him gone but will also persist with him?

If they wanted him gone, why not offer him $300k knowing he'd get much more elsewhere and then they could talk trades with other clubs. $500k pa is too close to what he is supposedly worth and asking for, so he may well just stay and be close to their highest paid player. To my mind it doesn't quite add up.

I haven't read the entire thread but posters are talking 700k. Would this make him our highest paid player? Is he worth this? Does he deserve the right to be more highly paid than any other player? Answers please.

This is purely a guess but Mitch would be on more. I don't think he's worth that much. If are serious lets offer Kieran Jack 700k when he is out of contract. Proven big game players. I know we need mids but we need to be better than this. We need to aim to be a club where players stay/come to for less. I have already said that Roos hasn't built the culture yet, lets target 4qtr players.

Not worth 700k, but sometimes beggars cannot be choosers. Not sure I would like him on board, but this time I trust Roos knows what he is doing. Unfortunately, I seem to recall saying the same about Neeld a few years ago...

This is purely a guess but Mitch would be on more. I don't think he's worth that much. If are serious lets offer Kieran Jack 700k when he is out of contract. Proven big game players. I know we need mids but we need to be better than this. We need to aim to be a club where players stay/come to for less. I have already said that Roos hasn't built the culture yet, lets target 4qtr players.

Mitch not on more and we don't want to be paying that sort of money for this type of player! Firm no!

Maybe it was Dusty that asked for 2 year deal. Don't know. And i don't get your last bit McQueen - they want him gone but will also persist with him?

If they wanted him gone, why not offer him $300k knowing he'd get much more elsewhere and then they could talk trades with other clubs. $500k pa is too close to what he is supposedly worth and asking for, so he may well just stay and be close to their highest paid player. To my mind it doesn't quite add up.

Sorry Moon, I was rushing on to a plane and didn't have time to finish what I wanted to say.

It's all about consequence and benefit. It would be a delicate and difficult decision making process to let someone of Martins abilities go. He's a goal kicking midfielder that has undoubtedly got all of the tools a side making its way into the top 4 would need to be successful. That's the potential benefit and really a no-brainer if you're eyeing off a premiership window period.

The potential consequence would be seeing him run off the rails and disrupt that charge into the top 4 over the next few years. Offering a 2 year contract worth $1M is acknowledging that he is valued in a team sense (but not wanted as an individual) even if it's under the guise of player payment strategy amd hoping like hell he gets his sht together so they can then offer a better, longer term contract.

I haven't read the entire thread but posters are talking 700k. Would this make him our highest paid player? Is he worth this? Does he deserve the right to be more highly paid than any other player? Answers please.

Clark's on $800 isn't he? Dawes would be near that too.

Somehow I get the feeling this is an elaborate plan to boost his price and force out someone else - a cloke v Dawes scenario?

We just need to hope that there is truth to reports of GWS trying to talk Dusty into going to them through the PSD.

That opens the PSD route to us for Adams, who should be our priority.

I can't talk up how good I think this guy will be.

Richmond could be very scary if they landed Boyd through a Martin trade. I hope you're right, M and they push him into the PSD.

Probably just coincidence - Tigers football manager moves on

Paul Roos would back himself 100% to get the best out of Dustin Martin as both a footballer and a person.

This is why we paid Roos the big bucks and why any of the 17 other clubs would kill tot have him.

I will be pumped if we land Martin.

Dustin Martin is one of the players to watch in the AFL. Ability-wise he is A1; and he has the biggest ass and fend-off in football. But the guy is a train-wreck. If guys like Cotchin (who moved in with him for a month), and Williams, and Richardson and....and....can't settle him down, we have no hope.

I don't know what happened to Roos' "no DH policy".

I have faith in Roos, but if he can turn Bull Martin into a saint by converting him into a demon, then even that would shock me.

No from me.

Trying to build a culture of playing for the jumper, playing for your teammates, self sacrifice to be successful and we're talking about recruiting a bloke who is looking at leaving a strong successful team who has invested alot of money on and off field as well as time into giving him the opportunity to be an elite player, just to chase dollars.

Good player, maybe Roos could sort him out but i think we have other options open to us that would be more constructive from a cultural sense, David Swallow, Luke Shuey, Rory Sloane, Taylor Adams

In what world are we any chance of recruiting Sloane or Shuey???

I think a lot of "overplay" has been afforded some minor incidental text messages

Paul Roos would back himself 100% to get the best out of Dustin Martin as both a footballer and a person.

This is why we paid Roos the big bucks and why any of the 17 other clubs would kill tot have him.

I will be pumped if we land Martin.

Roos might back himself to get more out of Martin than most others, maybe even all others, but he's also smart enough to know that you can't get blood from a stone.

Dustin was managed by Ricky Nixon until he got suspended. Need I say more.

What player rocks up to another clubs mad monday at 10pm 6 days before he is due to play his first final. The guy has no brains and is money hungry. Richmond have done everything to help him settle in.

Im not sure we need his bad influence on our young ones and im not sure Tidd would want him around his son.

Also he is not worth giving up pick 2

In saying that if anyone could help him then Roos could straighten him out or else im sure Dawes and Clark could

Dustin was managed by Ricky Nixon until he got suspended. Need I say more.

What player rocks up to another clubs mad monday at 10pm 6 days before he is due to play his first final. The guy has no brains and is money hungry. Richmond have done everything to help him settle in.

Im not sure we need his bad influence on our young ones and im not sure Todd would want him around his son.

Also he is not worth giving up pick 2

In saying that if anyone could help him then Roos could straighten him out or else im sure Dawes and Clark could

Paul Roos would back himself 100% to get the best out of Dustin Martin as both a footballer and a person.

This is why we paid Roos the big bucks and why any of the 17 other clubs would kill tot have him.

I will be pumped if we land Martin.

I must of missed something, we still have arguably the worst culture. How can it not be, it hasn't just magically changed because he took the job. How many speeches has Roos given the playing group as a whole? I'm guessing none. It's going to take time. There is a big difference in bringing someone like Martin into a club with an established and one like ours where the whole club is getting overhauled. I'm glad Roos will have a senior assistant because with all these people that will need his attention he won't have much time left for coaching.

I think there's two aspects to 'culture' in a football club.

One is go-hard, put-your-head-over-the-ball, no-bruise-free-play. Melbourne has been deficient in this. Martin can buiild it.

The other is the no-[censored]-off-the-field culture. Melbourne is building this, and I think they're OK. Martin is a real threat to it.

I hope there are other options to improve the first one, without getting someone who risks destroying the second.

Much as he is talented l would prefer Swallow by a mile if we intend to build a culture at the Club. Dusty seems too high maintenance and our resources could be better utilised developing Watts, Viney, Trengove, Toumpas etc where our future lies.

As much as i would like to get Swallow or Adams, i would prefer Dusty by a mile,

And i am pretty sure Roosy would pull his head in.

Get all three and we are ON FIRE in 2014!!!

BANG! do it Roosy

Get all three and we are ON FIRE in 2014!!!

BANG! do it Roosy

Only in my dreams

We are rebuilding the Melbourne Football Club from the ground up, and need rock-solid foundations.

Dustin Martin is one of the players to watch in the AFL. Ability-wise he is A1; and he has the biggest ass and fend-off in football. But the guy is a train-wreck. If guys like Cotchin (who moved in with him for a month), and Williams, and Richardson and....and....can't settle him down, we have no hope.

I don't know what happened to Roos' "no DH policy".

I have faith in Roos, but if he can turn Bull Martin into a saint by converting him into a demon, then even that would shock me.

Totally agree

No from me.