ive changed my mind on this issue

I hope 11 Essendon players get notices for 2 years ban and the bombers stick by hird to lkead them to the bottom of the ladder and every time they see his face, they will remember what he did to their club

Thanks mate, some people are just bad sports and like to eat their own.

Say what?

What I dont understand about the whole crap about Essendon is that their objectives have been obvious from the start I.e. their intention has been to get an advantage by providing chemical inducements to their advantage. If this happened in 2012, medical advice is that the advantage would continue in terms of players' physical development for several years including the 2013 final series. How could they possibly claim 2013 is clean with them participating in the series.

To be frank they cant. Their season is finished -or at least it should be.

The best analogy I can see for Hird is that he is the Stuart O'Grady off the AFL - a brilliant public image, but fundamentally a cheat.

Such a pity for such an attractive personality to be seen to be so flawed.q

What I don't understand is why we need another new thread just for this comment...

Im glad you started a new thread for this.

Oh really. Read what I wrote. It has not been canvassed in this way. It is about time we. Called it as it is...

What I don't understand is why we need another new thread just for this comment...

Oh really. Read what I wrote. It has not been canvassed in this way. It is about time we. Called it as it is...

Oh really... I might start a new thread then about my opinion of this thread then...

Don't need a new thread for every different opinion.

I am happy to see them smashed in an Elimination Final by over a 100 points in 2013

If in 2014-16 they are hammered with draft picks and player suspensions.

Hird is in a world of pain.

His choice.

I'm not an expert in legalities : if they are stripped of points this year does that mean they lost games and if so would betting losses be refunded by TAB, Sportsbet etc. ?

Hopefully their computer program's will allow for monies to be returned seamlessly

I'm not an expert in legalities : if they are stripped of points this year does that mean they lost games and if so would betting losses be refunded by TAB, Sportsbet etc. ?

Hopefully their computer program's will allow for monies to be returned seamlessly

I doubt it. I'd expect that if they were stripped of points then the results of the games would remain the same (i.e. Essendon won), but that they simply received 0 premiership points for their victories.

Cheating mongrels. Deserve everything they get...and more

Essendon better make their minds quickly iif they want to plead guilty now and lose points for this season.. Their finals campagn is in tatters. After todays loss it clear the players have had enough. If they continue to dither they will lose the next seasons points. But I hope Hird's stubborness is resolute and drags this on so they end up suffering the real punishment next season.

THEY DIDN'T DO TOO WELL TODAY PLAYING WITHOUT DRUGS!

I'm not an expert in legalities : if they are stripped of points this year does that mean they lost games and if so would betting losses be refunded by TAB, Sportsbet etc. ?

Hopefully their computer program's will allow for monies to be returned seamlessly

Who Cares!

THEY DIDN'T DO TOO WELL TODAY PLAYING WITHOUT DRUGS!

Speak up man I can't quite hear you

Well I will be candid! This whole year of football nonsense is due to the football club called Essendon. They are the ones who have brought this on and should not be complaining about the wall of shyte coming their way. This football club and its arrogance need to be put back in their box. It is this football club that has brought our game into disrepute.

So to those at bummer land shut the [censored] up and take your medicine. The rest of the football world has had a gutful of your arrogance and blameless attitude to what is a problem totally ignited from within your own engine room.

Well I will be candid! This whole year of football nonsense is due to the football club called Essendon. They are the ones who have brought this on and should not be complaining about the wall of shyte coming their way. This football club and its arrogance need to be put back in their box. It is this football club that has brought our game into disrepute.

So to those at bummer land shut the [censored] up and take your medicine. The rest of the football world has had a gutful of your arrogance and blameless attitude to what is a problem totally ignited from within your own engine room.

They are attempting to protect their GOD, James Hird.

Looks like they are trying their best to get out of the finals - maybe they know they wont have a coach then...

I can't stand Essendon, but then Carlton and Westcoast don't really deserve to play finals in their place :/

Well I will be candid! This whole year of football nonsense is due to the football club called Essendon. They are the ones who have brought this on and should not be complaining about the wall of shyte coming their way. This football club and its arrogance need to be put back in their box. It is this football club that has brought our game into disrepute.

So to those at bummer land shut the [censored] up and take your medicine. The rest of the football world has had a gutful of your arrogance and blameless attitude to what is a problem totally ignited from within your own engine room.

Looking at Bomberblitz (schadenfreude central) there seems to be a bit of weariness developing, even a desire for a bit of quiet euthanasia.

Looking at Bomberblitz (schadenfreude central) there seems to be a bit of weariness developing, even a desire for a bit of quiet euthanasia.

let them cop it in 2014 and beyond.

They are already dead meat this year.

A flogging in front of 80,000 in 4 weeks time will be a fitting send off to years of darkness.

Im very suspicious of the haste to lay charges and penalties against Messendon . This needs to go its course and be dealt with thoroughly and according to precedents etc.

All points penalties should apply in 2014. . Time penalties ought to serve once all avenues are dilligently investigated.

This rush to judgment stinks to high heaven. Smells of collusion.

Im very suspicious of the haste to lay charges and penalties against Messendon . This needs to go its course and be dealt with thoroughly and according to precedents etc.

All points penalties should apply in 2014. . Time penalties ought to serve once all avenues are dilligently investigated.

This rush to judgment stinks to high heaven. Smells of collusion.

No collusion here. There are now bitter divisions within the club as demonstrated by the ugly exit of Chairman Evans. Hird thought he could ride it out on the strength of his popularity with fans and players. Now he and his backers are playing out the legal threats. But a big mistake if he thought he could take on Vlad. The players are also now deserting him as I predicted after the removal of Evans. There are forces within the club that now realise it is not all about him. They want outs but lets hope they tear each other to pieces first.

im not talking collusion of Messendon and the AFL... but theres something funny going on here with ASADA and AFL

Actually watching Hird complain about media speculation is a farce. Hey Sir James - stop the speculation and tell the bloody truth.

I would like to see some of these journalists ask Hird some hard questions. Bunch of bloody sycophants.