Lloyd soft as butter and won't last on the programme ... disappointed that Garry didn't give her a whack for all of her BS posturing over the off season.

This is what I call interesting vision:-

http://youtu.be/hczyUcC4ONk

Go read bay 13 on big footy about tanking then get back to me, they deserve everything coming there way.

Mate, I can just imagine the crap they are saying in the bay, but those types of supporters make up perhaps .1% of the supporter base, and every club has them. The other 99.9% of the essendon supporters are just normal football fans (like Yourself) who are passionate about there club and just want to see there team play each week. They had no control over the use of drugs at there club but ultimately they could pay the price.

Just saw a tweet made by former Demonologist (and perhaps very occasional Demonlander) Graham Gaunt:

"Paul Gardner just got on @2GB873 and mentioned that@melbournefc and another club north of Sydney are rumoured on the issue. #sourgrapes ?"

Anyone else hear this?

Ah that is all we need now. If Caro gets a scent of this she will be straight on it. Why cant he just keep his trap shut. Wonder if he will have the audacity to turn up at our games.

Mate, I can just imagine the crap they are saying in the bay, but those types of supporters make up perhaps .1% of the supporter base, and every club has them. The other 99.9% of the essendon supporters are just normal football fans (like Yourself) who are passionate about there club and just want to see there team play each week. They had no control over the use of drugs at there club but ultimately they could pay the price.

Fork 'em.

The sooner they fold the better.

This from the bottom of an article on the Herald Sun tonight:

And a former Melbourne footballer claims Mr Charter used to advise several Demons players on what to take to aid performance and recover "like European cyclists".

"He put me on a range of injections and supplements. I didn't know what the f--- I was taking, but my recovery was outstanding," the former player said. "I felt unstoppable some days.

"It cost me $10,000 so it wasn't cheap."

Mr Charter's partner, Donna, last night defended him, saying despite his prison past he was not involved in anything illegal now.

CH 7 News earlier tonight said Woewodin was linked to Mr Charter prior to his link with Hird.

Article from Herald-Sun detailing Woewodin & Hird :- http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-coach-james-hird-linked-to-convicted-drug-trafficker-shane-charter/story-fnelctok-1226572461168

PS. Gardner on 2GB? - 2GB?? - I wonder who contacted who....

Mate, I can just imagine the crap they are saying in the bay, but those types of supporters make up perhaps .1% of the supporter base, and every club has them. The other 99.9% of the essendon supporters are just normal football fans (like Yourself) who are passionate about there club and just want to see there team play each week. They had no control over the use of drugs at there club but ultimately they could pay the price.

99% of them sure behaved like their online personas at the 2000 GF.The longer and harder they suffer the happier I'll be.If Carlscum can some how join the party......rapture.

ASADA have however clearly stated that ignorance is no defence.

& thery can't allow that either.

that would end up being the biggest window, one could back a semi trailer through it & turn it around in a 3 pt turn.

there can not be any easing up in this other than penalties for fessing up.

anyone who doesn't come clean, & has to be tracked down, ah la armstrong,,, shopuld be wiped out!

surf's up !!

left to fight them on the beaches, & returned to his sandcastle to find it awash in pep tides.

he'll need a life support package after this & a dummy.

Footy Classified. What a lame panel of commentators.

Garry, GTF out of there. You're losing credibility sitting with those clowns.

Ah that is all we need now. If Caro gets a scent of this she will be straight on it. Why cant he just keep his trap shut. Wonder if he will have the audacity to turn up at our games.

And we've got people that post here that support that regime?

They ought to be run out of the club.

Stephen Dank openly marketed banned substances

Stephen Dank, the football club's performance scientist, co-owns the Sydney-based Medical Rejuvenation Clinic, which boasts "a substantial range of Australian-produced Protein Peptides ... at very competitive prices".

Its website makes special reference to 15 products, including GHRP-6, CJC-1295, IGF-1, SARM, Hexarelin and MGF, which the Therapeutic Goods Administration said were "not registered for use in Australia" and "should not be available for commercial supply or sale".

For someone that refuses to do interviews, he certainly knows how to draw attention to himself.

Just saw a tweet made by former Demonologist (and perhaps very occasional Demonlander) Graham Gaunt:

"Paul Gardner just got on @2GB873 and mentioned that@melbournefc and another club north of Sydney are rumoured on the issue. #sourgrapes ?"

Anyone else hear this?

The fact that someone tweeted this doesn't mean it happened.

I'd like some corroboration that Gardner said these things before I jumped to any conclusions about him or about what was alleged.

I think I've missed something, but the old ASADA chief said that its all up to the laboratory now -if the supplements are found to be fine it'll be ok, but if they're banned then Pandora's box will have been opened.

What substance is he talking about? Have things been confiscated? From where?

The fact that someone tweeted this doesn't mean it happened.

I'd like some corroboration that Gardner said these things before I jumped to any conclusions about him or about what was alleged.

They way he conducts himself these days its hard not to jump to conclusions.

Mate, I can just imagine the crap they are saying in the bay, but those types of supporters make up perhaps .1% of the supporter base, and every club has them. The other 99.9% of the essendon supporters are just normal football fans (like Yourself) who are passionate about there club and just want to see there team play each week. They had no control over the use of drugs at there club but ultimately they could pay the price.

Yes Dan, haven't stirred up my Bomber fan mates about this issue...the last thing an Essendon person requires right now is a little needle.

I don't believe there are any AFL clubs that are not tainted by this drug scandal to some degree be it systematic abuse from the club or by individual players. I believe the AFL should take control of approved supplements, medications and substances and ensure all these products are channeled through an organisation or agency under their control. Any substance supplied by outsiders would be strictly forbidden and players and clubs will have no excuses if caught and harsh penalties will be applied for abusers.

I think I've missed something, but the old ASADA chief said that its all up to the laboratory now -if the supplements are found to be fine it'll be ok, but if they're banned then Pandora's box will have been opened.

What substance is he talking about? Have things been confiscated? From where?

I saw that interview on FoxSports News last night.

I thought that too - how did they obtain / confiscate substances from - last year?? Were they the substances used? Or the documented substances that were used??

Surely the other alternative of evidence is the same sort of testimonies and information at large that weighed down on Armstrong. But that could take an eternity for people to come forward.

There's a very real possibility that nothing of concern will be found in "those" substances obtained.

hey billy how the hell do you flat pack a sink , ?????? ok your an office boy , carry on , and billy some girls are very good on the tools

Barndee, I really don't know if your post is taking the pi$$ or not. I hope for your sake it is, but I'm unsure if you would be capable of doing that, given that you totally missed that I was in my post.

Maybe Ess had concerns and had some of the stuff tested themselves. After an adverse finding they fessed up??

Remember something happened in the 48 hours pre the presser to kick start this. It could have been the Govt Report but maybe not.

Maybe Ess had concerns and had some of the stuff tested themselves. After an adverse finding they fessed up??

Remember something happened in the 48 hours pre the presser to kick start this. It could have been the Govt Report but maybe not.

Remember also that even Government Departments leak, and that there are supposedly phone intercepts that maybe lead to the Bombers camp. Get in on the front foot make it seem as if you've fessed up 'shock horror how could this happen to us?"

I think I've missed something, but the old ASADA chief said that its all up to the laboratory now -if the supplements are found to be fine it'll be ok, but if they're banned then Pandora's box will have been opened.

What substance is he talking about? Have things been confiscated? From where?

Laboratory to test what? Do they think they still have samples of the same stuff that was injected 12 months ago?

I can imagine it now, Bomba going "Uh... there! That's it. This is the stuff they were taking. Yep definitely, that's exactly it. No question. Oh look, it just says it's plain old vitamin B on the label. Sorry to waste your time boys. You can go test it if you want though..."

As HT sorta said.

Yes it's pretty hard to test a drug that was taken 12 months ago!

It will be conducted the same way Lance was done.

He never tested. But people will talk now the whole mess is an open wound.

Just gotta ask the right way.

Herald sun page 7 article 'outlaw drugs up for grabs' (sorry guys can't find it online)

Near the end of the article

He added mr charter would often mention he would have coffee with gangland figure most days.

And a former Melbourne player claim mr carter used to advise several demons players on what to take to aid performance and recover "like European cyclists"

He put me on a range of injections and supplements. I didn't know what the f... I was taking but my recovery was outstanding' I felt unstoppable somedays

'It cost me $10,000 so it wasn't cheap'

I'm on the iPhone so no long analysis from me but looks like it's more widespread than we think and some players (I'm thinking early 2000 after wooey brownlow) from our club have done it in the past especially has we know how clean cycling in Europe has been for the last decade

28 pages and counting, I thought we would have learnt on this board, that nothing is a fact until it is proven

Why was nobody arrested yesterday, why was noboby named simple answer, there is no concrete proof, there are suspicions and probably uncorroborated statements, but not enough to pursue

The Police are now going to use all their resources to try and prove

ASADA are hoping that if they shake the tree hard enough something will fall out, similar to the Lance Armstrong situation

I will wring my hands and be disgusted if and when a present day Melbourne player or official is suspended, banned, arrested for using/administering performance enhancing drugs

The rest is what we have all become used to, the media creating the story

I can't wait for the footy to start and then we can talk about the footy

God I hate this stuff...........How far do we have to look back and ask weather the winners of the grand final were on drugs?????

Any winning teams are now under suspicion and it will just spoil the footy for me.....

After so many years of being crap,if we improve to much this year the suspicion will be on us...

What a world we live in.....What a world...