Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

[daisycutter 29,795]

heard some details on radio

claims all players knew exactly what they were receiving

claims he has full records of all "supplements" given or injected

claims club also has full records

[Nascent 9,299]

Quote from Demetriou.

"It is a distraction to the core issue which is that there was a regime occurring at this football club-systematic-of young men being injected with substances that in many cases were banned for human use, some of which are unknown, some of which could potentially have long-term health effects and it was imperative that the AFL put a stop to it for the integrity of the code."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hirds-future-under-a-cloud-20140321-hvl0s.html#ixzz2wZAxl1IY"

[John Crow Batty 8,879]

Maybe they are angling for Hird to be sacked and they can pocket another $2m and maybe get compensation for breach of contract (ie the coaching role for 2015/16). Let's face it he is close to being 'untouchable'. The Hirds aren't stupid but they sure are cunning and have proven they will burn all and sundry.

We can only hope the old adage about '...give them enough rope and....' applies.

His reputaion is in tatters. No job prospects left in the field and no more easy money endorsements. May get a job scribbling for Murdoch at best but not the pay to maintain his expensive lifestyle. Take the big money now and lay low in France for a while and write the tell all book Edited March 21, 2014 by america de cali

[Sir Why You Little 37,239]

wonder how dank's little sportsman's lunch is going

is that today?

[Whispering_Jack 30,926]

So if the 14 "go" and the rest don't on the basis that they admitted to taking those drugs and the others didn't why on earth didn't they shut up?

How will they know which players were given those drugs if there are no records?

Let's hope this soap opera finishes quickly and disappears.

Yes I do. I'm not suggesting there aren't "shades" in all of this. But I do think that my example of the doc putting some AS in a pain killer without telling the player is different again and shouldn't lead to a banned athlete. Under these rules it does.

It's why I think the rules are plain wrong. Saad took an energy drink. Absolutely dumb and finished his career. Seems to me this punishment is inappropriate.

The issue of whether the anti doping laws are good law or bad law is up to everybody's opinion and the perspective they take on this issue and its seriousness. I don't get your point about "shades" unless you think the players were unconscious when signing their waiver forms. These guys attend information and education sessions annually on the topic of drugs in sport and are taught to look for the warning signs. If they recklessly sign waiver forms without making any enquiries about the drugs on the forms (and I've seen the list and done quick googles on them myself) then they're ignoring the warning signs and must bear responsibility. The Wade Lees and Ahmed Saad cases are tough but if strict liability is what is ultimately deemed to be the way to stop drug cheating, then so be it.

My understanding is that there is a substantial body of evidence here and that includes statements by the players and staff of the EFC (these now include statements made to ACC including by Dank), the nurses who administered the injections at the off site centre where part of the programme was conducted, surveillance material including possible wire taps at the centres, documentary evidence such as invoices from the Como chemist, expert evidence on the compounding of substances, materials that are part of the public record including statements made by parties in the media. Those who made admissions might even be better off than the others because they might benefit from the mitigating circumstances but we don't know yet.

BTW. Your free session is now over and if you want more advice, you'll have to sign a waiver form.

[daisycutter 29,795]

The age poll

should essendope sack hird - Yes 82%, No 18% .........9500 respondents so far

looks like james has lost the left

[Sir Why You Little 37,239]

heard some details on radio

claims all players knew exactly what they were receiving

claims he has full records of all "supplements" given or injected

claims club also has full records

This is from Dank's mouth?

[daisycutter 29,795]

This is from Dank's mouth?

as reported by an attendee to the media

media were banned

[Whispering_Jack 30,926]

hey. Let them burn. But Mrs H. is a lawyer. She too would know the consequences surely.

WJ or Redleg why would the wife take this course. Surely it will put her cred at risk to?

Maybe its already fugged....

Great mini series coming up.

I could answer that but my response might not be politically correct.

[Sir Why You Little 37,239]

as reported by an attendee to the media

media were banned

BANG!!

The Bombers are now in high speed plummet....

Hope they enjoy tonights game

[monoccular 17,607]

BANG!!

The Bombers are now in high speed plummet....

Hope they enjoy tonights game

....as it could be the last for some.

[Sir Why You Little 37,239]

....as it could be the last for some.

Yep.

[biggestred 5,193]

The age poll

should essendope sack hird - Yes 82%, No 18% .........9500 respondents so far

looks like james has lost the left

yeah but i voted no - they deserve him

[Cards13 9,117]

heard some details on radio

claims all players knew exactly what they were receiving

claims he has full records of all "supplements" given or injected

claims club also has full records

Who claims these things?

[ManDee 7,236]

Remember this is not about James:

"As I said, this is me wanting to say something, this actually has nothing to do with him."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hirds-future-under-a-cloud-20140321-hvl0s.html#ixzz2wYyrBWRD

So do we really care what someones wife overheard when their husband was talking on the phone about what someone else said? This is hearsay, in fact double hearsay.

Hearsay. "unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge"

[sue 9,151]

Why would Ms Hird do what she did now? The story of Samson bringing down the temple on himself and the Philistines springs to mind.

[daisycutter 29,795]

Who claims these things?

danks, see sources above

[daisycutter 29,795]

So do we really care what someones wife overheard when their husband was talking on the phone about what someone else said? This is hearsay, in fact double hearsay.

Hearsay. "unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge"

probably auditioning for "Melbourne Housewives" ?

[What 18,810]

good job Tanya you moron hahahahaha

[ManDee 7,236]

The age poll

should essendope sack hird - Yes 82%, No 18% .........9500 respondents so far

looks like james has lost the left

The right and most of the middle.

[Cards13 9,117]

Sacking James Hird would be outrageous says QC

Burnside now hopping into it.

[Lucifers Hero 40,426]

Sacking James Hird would be outrageous says QC

Burnside now hopping into it.

Ho, ho! He can probably see that EFC will at the least cut the funding to the Hird camp and there goes his 'Golden Goose'.

Also this: And Im sure that Essendon and Paul Little are much more intelligent than to do something like that { sack Hird} because that would raise pretty obvious employment issues, apart from anything else." Rather ominous...see my earlier post on contract cancellation payouts!. As I said those Hird's are very cunning!

[ManDee 7,236]

I for one do not care if Andrew D warned the EFC, providing he had not heard it was EFC from ASADA.

I do not care if the AFL act as bullies to protect the image/brand of the AFL

And I couldn't care less about the whingeing Hirds and their tarnished reputations. (self harm)

I do care about the players and workplace safety. I care about the health of the players. I care about the game, MFC our players and supporters.

I think we brought the game into disrepute and copped our medicine. We were not the only ones but we have copped our whack and we move on.

Essendon.................what a mess. Can EFC just sack Hird, ASADA penalise the players and then we can get on with the competition. I do not want another season wrecked by the Essendon Drug Fiasco.

[beelzebub 23,385]

Sacking James Hird would be outrageous says QC

Burnside now hopping into it.

I really have no time for this shyster...such a hypocrite and self righteous one at that.

[old dee 23,915]

Gosh one has to be careful what one posts. I am in no way falling for the Hird propaganda. I was responding to another post in saying "it must have been well known in AFL circles" ie. it was true even if there was no other evidence that you have listed to suggest it.

I don't see AD as the villain. Though I think he would have been wise to advise all clubs that ASADA was about to drop a bombshell to completly protect his bum from any accusations such as have been made by Hird. I thought it was clear from my posts that he is being crucified by Essendone despite his trying to protect them.

Sorry if I misunderstood sue.

I just get a little [censored] of with the Hird camp trying to paint everyone else as the villains when they the root cause of the problems.