My rumour supplier advises the AFL will never lay down on all of this. Hird is less likely to coach again than he ever was. Several players will cop bans/be deregistered and some more heat is still to hit off field staff who think they are outside of the situation. AFL are just looking to hit The Dons hard, but not too hard, so-as gate takings will not be diminished massively. Legal boffins are, weekly, getting closer and closer to an agreement that will upset many Dons followers. Apparently some of the player's parents are still waitng to see if they will need to sue the club. Lawyers are making a massive amount and will make even more yet to assist their early retirement plans. AFL want WADA/ASADA to advise guilty party's within 6 - 8 weeks. AFL dont want to have to take points won away again and so are pushing for earlier announcements. Other AFL presidents/CEO's want it all cleared up and are giving very little, if any support to Essendon. Vlad is happy for "others" to make the heavy decisions and then will act under his own AFL powers and BAM! My informant has so far been pretty well spot on yet has missed a couple of reports that got out before he heard of them. Beer is the serum of truth.

Some of this is old news!

Yes, well said. This fairly much is in line with the information I am getting from legal sources and the federal bureaucracy. There is no love lost between the AFL and Essendon although the AFL is very afraid of the legal nightmare which is about to unfold when the infraction notices are issued and the players sue Essendon and the AFL. THE AFL are incredibly dirty on Essendon and particular Hird's SWOT team in the way they have behaved. They think a lot of this was avoidable had Evans still been in charge and his advisors still been in place. ASADA/WADA are determined to punish Essendon to the maximum because of their uncooperative attitude and the litigious route that Hird has taken. It is a matter of when, not if, and it will be incredibly messy, and very very expensive.

Edited March 4, 201411 yr by Dees2014

I'll believe it when I see it.

I simply cannot see how Hird can coach again at AFL level given the shite that has gone down. I heard a while back that contrary to common perception, he did not sign a contract extension beyond 2014. If players are suspended for this debacle, who the hell would want to play under him? He's not the messiah, he's just a naughty little boy.

I simply cannot see how Hird can coach again at AFL level given the shite that has gone down. I heard a while back that contrary to common perception, he did not sign a contract extension beyond 2014. If players are suspended for this debacle, who the hell would want to play under him? He's not the messiah, he's just a naughty little boy.

Not 100% on the quote, but close enough. +1

I'll believe it when I see it.

And me too

However, Andrew Demetriou was surprisingly forthright I thought in his retirement tv interview ..... " I never injected anyone with God-knows what substances " ........ " we always had the players' welfare at heart " etc

His comments to my interpretation show his disgust with people in positions of authority at EFC who ran an experimental lab playing with injectables.

Seemed aimed squarely at Chemical Jamie.

Yes, well said. This fairly much is in line with the information I am getting from legal sources and the federal bureaucracy. There is no love lost between the AFL and Essendon although the AFL is very afraid of the legal nightmare which is about to unfold when the infraction notices are issued and the players sue Essendon and the AFL. THE AFL are incredibly dirty on Essendon and particular Hird's SWOT team in the way they have behaved. They think a lot of this was avoidable had Evans still been in charge and his advisors still been in place. ASADA/WADA are determined to punish Essendon to the maximum because of their uncooperative attitude and the litigious route that Hird has taken. It is a matter of when, not if, and it will be incredibly messy, and very very expensive.

I'm not entirely doubting what you say may be true, but in what capacity would you be getting information from "legal sources and federal bureaucracy"?

I'll believe it when I see it.

Me too rpfc

Yes, well said. This fairly much is in line with the information I am getting from legal sources and the federal bureaucracy. There is no love lost between the AFL and Essendon although the AFL is very afraid of the legal nightmare which is about to unfold when the infraction notices are issued and the players sue Essendon and the AFL. THE AFL are incredibly dirty on Essendon and particular Hird's SWOT team in the way they have behaved. They think a lot of this was avoidable had Evans still been in charge and his advisors still been in place. ASADA/WADA are determined to punish Essendon to the maximum because of their uncooperative attitude and the litigious route that Hird has taken. It is a matter of when, not if, and it will be incredibly messy, and very very expensive.

this I wonder, if its a lot to do with Demitriou's retirement, & if he'll do the dirty work on all the scum, on his way out the door. then fight from a distance against any retaliation from the have you heard backers.

I'm not entirely doubting what you say may be true, but in what capacity would you be getting information from "legal sources and federal bureaucracy"?

your darts are getting close to the board, hardtack.

I heard (I don't believe it) that Essendon will be banned from the AFL competition for 1 year. It was speculated that a composite team from Tasmania would take their place. I think this fanciful but he did have a compelling argument and some WADA knowledge. WOW!

I heard (I don't believe it) that Essendon will be banned from the AFL competition for 1 year. It was speculated that a composite team from Tasmania would take their place. I think this fanciful but he did have a compelling argument and some WADA knowledge. WOW!

How will tassie go in the draft ?

I heard (I don't believe it) that Essendon will be banned from the AFL competition for 1 year. It was speculated that a composite team from Tasmania would take their place. I think this fanciful but he did have a compelling argument and some WADA knowledge. WOW!

Yes the AFL will gladly jeopardise its TV rights and other key supplier and stakeholder relationships by banning a whole club. Where do people dream up such fluff?? Hardly compelling and the WADA knowledge does not help here.

How will tassie go in the draft ?

Remaining Essendon players plus 1 50 + game player from each of the other clubs. Remember Ted Fidge? I would offer Byrnes. NOTE:-This is pure speculation.

What has been lost in all of this is the appalling abuse of process by the Minister and Government in announcing the "darkest day " without having done the investigation or their legislative homework.

I believe they should have not made the announcement until they were sure of the details and trail of evidence-

Smacks of political opportunism as usual. What can you expect of modern political life?

Everybody wants to be seeming to do something but not doing anything. It is just appalling. I feel sorry for the reputations that have been damaged and I am sure that this will go nowhere, just die slowly when something more "Interesting and stimulating" comes along to be played with like a Sherrin. This interference and game playing has destroyed the process and ensured that no one will be charged nor any sanctions imposed except for the sanctions like what you get for tanking when the AFL denied any tanking The whole thing is just a joke

Edited March 4, 201411 yr by jackaub

I'm not entirely doubting what you say may be true, but in what capacity would you be getting information from "legal sources and federal bureaucracy"?

You should be doubting. Caveat emptor on that posters rants wnd sources. A mixture of the no kidding bleedin obvious and stuff that lacks validity.

Yes the AFL will gladly jeopardise its TV rights and other key supplier and stakeholder relationships by banning a whole club. Where do people dream up such fluff?? Hardly compelling and the WADA knowledge does not help here.

I prefaced the fluff with (I don't believe it) The penalty on the club was a WADA penalty as it was suggested to me. The AFL would have to comply. Hence the Tassie beat up story to fill the Essendon gap.

I prefaced the fluff with (I don't believe it) The penalty on the club was a WADA penalty as it was suggested to me. The AFL would have to comply. Hence the Tassie beat up story to fill the Essendon gap.

As likely as the sighting of the unicorn. Its incredible what people dont apparently but are happy to spruik such rubbish in forums

As likely as the sighting of the unicorn. Its incredible what people dont apparently but are happy to spruik such rubbish in forums

I agree?? I think.

Is this a forum?

What do we do on forums?

Did I suggest that I agreed with the views?

It was light hearted gossip, who would think that you might find that on a fan forum?

Edited March 4, 201411 yr by ManDee

Maybe the Don's penalty should be to play 8 games in Tassie for ten years, and a name change to the "Tassie Bombers" with a logo of a bomber dropping it's load on the map of tasmania!

I prefaced the fluff with (I don't believe it) The penalty on the club was a WADA penalty as it was suggested to me. The AFL would have to comply. Hence the Tassie beat up story to fill the Essendon gap.

This is entirely possible. Same rules that have lead cycling teams to be thrown off the world tour.

11.2 Consequences for Team Sports

If more than two members of a team in a Team Sport

are found to have committed an anti-doping rule

violation during an Event Period, the ruling body of the

Event shall impose an appropriate sanction on the

team (e.g., loss of points, Disqualification from a

Competition or Event, or other sanction) in addition to

any Consequences imposed upon the individual

Athletes committing the anti-doping rule violation

all over red rover......woof !!

^^ASADA 11.2 BB??

^^ASADA 11.2 BB??

yep

actually WADA !!

Edited March 4, 201411 yr by beelzebub

Now I await the someone who will counter with...ahh but....the AFL already stripped them of points for 2013.

my counter-counter is that that was NOT for any antipdoping offence per se. Once WADA/SADA start pinging players then theres a NEW felony to punish.

I'm not entirely doubting what you say may be true, but in what capacity would you be getting information from "legal sources and federal bureaucracy"?

My professional network, dating back to university, and the network i have built up in the business world where i have had extensive interaction with federal and state governments, strangely enough many seem to be interested in AFL.