Yes,I may well be naive in how ASADA operates but I can't help but think that sweet flock all is going to happen to the Bummers. You could have built a pyramid in the time it's taken to investigate the saga. I'm just not buying the whole 'infraction notes are coming' business.

Surely if he is disgraced his media career would also be ended.

Not so sure. After a period in purgatory Wayne Carey seems to be in demand.

The karma has begun

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/ankle-surgery-for-tom-bellchambers-a-huge-blow-for-essendon-coach-mark-thompson/story-fnia3zb3-1226807134627

I love how they throw in the "likely easy-beat St Kilda" slap. Wonder what they would have said about us in there

Rome....day...etc etc etc

Not so sure. After a period in purgatory Wayne Carey seems to be in demand.

Carey did noting compared to what Hird did

Carey did noting compared to what Hird did

snorted coke in green room and gave carro rubbish on footy classified

was arrested in las vegas[who hasnt been]

beat a woman

tore apart the kangas

but besides that nothing really

I love how they throw in the "likely easy-beat St Kilda" slap. Wonder what they would have said about us in there

Jon Ralph. So unnecessary and so disrespectful. ( not too mention that the season hasnt started and who knows what will happen - StKilda could do a Port Adelaide).

Maybe from now on we should refer to him by his full title - Likely never had an original thought in his life Journo, Jon Ralph.

snorted coke in green room and gave carro rubbish on footy classified

was arrested in las vegas[who hasnt been]

beat a woman

tore apart the kangas

but besides that nothing really

allegedly shagged a team mates bird in the dunny at a party

Edited January 22, 201411 yr by Dinosaur Rover

He still didnt put the lives of 40 odd teenagers/young men at risk by overseeing a program where they were injected with unknown unsafe substances

If they were unknown how can you know they were unsafe?

If they were unknown how can you know they were unsafe?

Because some were unsafe (fact) and some were unknown and still are no doubt

Edited January 22, 201411 yr by hogans_heroes

Because some were unsafe (fact) and some were unknown and still are no doubt

But that is not what you said.

"they were injected with unknown unsafe substances"

No maybes there that I can see.

There is lots on suggestions as to what they were but I have seen nothing that proves that anyone knows for sure what they were given.

HH is spot on. OldDee you are nitpicking. I challenge you to be injected with an unknown substance. Unknown substances are precisely that - it could be the elixir of life or it could be anything.

Edited January 22, 201411 yr by sue

HH is spot on. OldDee you are nitpicking. I challenge you to be injected with an unknown substance. Unknown substances are precisely that - it could be the elixir of life or it could be anything.

Or it could be harmless.

If you don't know you don't know

IMO it is that simple.

Now that is not to say that everything is ok and that it was not a terrible situation that came into play at Essendon.

I like most people think Hird should go because he allowed a situation to develop where he did not know what was happening.

But you cannot say they were definitely given harmful substances.

Very big chance they were but there is no definite proof that I have seen so far.

Unknown substances in some ways are worse than steroids or other known illegal substances and should be treated as such.

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-set-to-start-season-without-asada-action-but-infraction-notices-could-yet-come/story-fni5f6kv-1226805329872

HH is spot on. OldDee you are nitpicking. I challenge you to be injected with an unknown substance. Unknown substances are precisely that - it could be the elixir of life or it could be anything.

I agree Sue. The very uncertainty of what was injected was disgraceful. And the players will live with uncertainty of it for the rest of their lives. What a sell out of young lives.

Or it could be harmless.

If you don't know you don't know

IMO it is that simple.

If it's that simple then how come you don't fathom that is the problem. They don't know and will never know what they had been given.

I don't think anyone is saying emphatically that what was taken was definitely dangerous.

The issue at hand is connecting the illegal substances that were acquired to individual players who were part of the program.

He still didnt put the lives of 40 odd teenagers/young men at risk by overseeing a program where they were injected with unknown unsafe substances

If they were unknown how can you know they were unsafe?

Because some were unsafe (fact) and some were unknown and still are no doubt

This is starting to sound like one of George W Bush's (many) whacko colleagues. Can't remember which, maybe Rumsfold or Cheney, rambled on about "known unknowns, and unknown unknowns".

Now regardless of whether what James' young charges were given by injection was really known, but would be best (from James' viewpoint) to be regarded as unknown, or whether it was really an unknown unknown it was incredibly irresponsible and totally failed any duty of care encumbent on the coach, the match committee / football department and ultimately the boards and CEO.

HH is spot on. OldDee you are nitpicking. I challenge you to be injected with an unknown substance. Unknown substances are precisely that - it could be the elixir of life or it could be anything.

At our age its probably worth the chance, I might be the next bellchambers or fletcher !

This is starting to sound like one of George W Bush's (many) whacko colleagues. Can't remember which, maybe Rumsfold or Cheney, rambled on about "known unknowns, and unknown unknowns".

Now regardless of whether what James' young charges were given by injection was really known, but would be best (from James' viewpoint) to be regarded as unknown, or whether it was really an unknown unknown it was incredibly irresponsible and totally failed any duty of care encumbent on the coach, the match committee / football department and ultimately the boards and CEO.

Cannot disagree with your second para mono.

I have said Hird and company are at fault and should not be at the bombers.

Actually Hird is nearly the only left which is a discrace.

However I still say how can you categorically say you were inject with a dangerous substance if you don't what is was?

Cannot disagree with your second para mono.

I have said Hird and company are at fault and should not be at the bombers.

Actually Hird is nearly the only left which is a discrace.

However I still say how can you categorically say you were inject with a dangerous substance if you don't what is was?

And i don't want to nit pick with you, but if you don't know what you are being injected with, it IS dangerous (or at very least, potentially so).

And i don't want to nit pick with you, but if you don't know what you are being injected with, it IS dangerous (or at very least, potentially so).

Think I will leave it here mono.

We all believe that they probably got something illegal

Proving it seems to be a fair bit harder as the only person who knows is not talking

There are no positive tests so we end up in the current position.

Hey guys. Happy new year to you all. Been in Hawaii for a while and just returned.

Anything interesting happened in AFL/Demonland while i was away?

Hey guys. Happy new year to you all. Been in Hawaii for a while and just returned.

Anything interesting happened in AFL/Demonland while i was away?

We not lost a game since the end of the 2013 season!

Go the Dees!

jake king hangs out with a bikie and they are talking about delisting him

Essendon are under investigation by the ACC no less for getting illegal performance enhancing drugs possibly through criminal organisations and its fine

Hey guys. Happy new year to you all. Been in Hawaii for a while and just returned.

Anything interesting happened in AFL/Demonland while i was away?

The boys have been training the house down ...