Yes it can all be subpoenaed either directly or through what is known as Third Party Discovery. Failure can lead to contempt charges and even jail if wilful.

Hird may flush out stuff that is not in his or Essendon's interest, then.

Tim Watson is quoted this morning as saying "So if they (the AFL) know what they (the substances) are, why can't they come clean and tell the players and tell the parents so that we can all get on with our lives and stop being fearful about what they may have been administered?"

Sorry Tim, I thought that was Essendon's responsibility.

that's an amazing way of twisting the blame.

why cant the afl tell us?

WHY did Essendon put the stuff into their players bodies?

why did the players allow it?

Hird may flush out stuff that is not in his or Essendon's interest, then.

I think you'll find that Hird is now so consumed by pathological rage that his thinking has gone right off the rails. His advice team arent that much cleverer so it would seem .Either that or they are yes men pandering to his royal highness !!

Classic case of "careful what you wish for " lol

The players signed consents for being administed KFC's 11 secret mix of herbs and spices.

Behaviours and symptoms that are associated with a sociopathic profile. Makes interesting reading

• Glibness and Superficial Charm
  
• Manipulative and Conning
  They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
  
• Grandiose Sense of Self
  Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
  
• Pathological Lying
  Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
  
• Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
  A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

that's an amazing way of twisting the blame.

why cant the afl tell us?

WHY did Essendon put the stuff into their players bodies?

why did the players allow it?

Exactly. Its not beholding upon the AFL to keep the Messendon rabble informed its up to the bloody Messendon Footy Club

The gall of this all is simply mind numbing.

All T Watson is proving is that hes just as gullible as the rest of them and twice the [censored] !!

Behaviours and symptoms that are associated with a sociopathic profile. Makes interesting reading

• Glibness and Superficial Charm

• Manipulative and Conning

  They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

• Grandiose Sense of Self

  Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

• Pathological Lying

  Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

• Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt

  A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

and if you happen to look like this bloke then its a lay down Misere !!!

Exactly. Its not beholding upon the AFL to keep the Messendon rabble informed its up to the bloody Messendon Footy Club

The gall of this all is simply mind numbing.

All T Watson is proving is that hes just as gullible as the rest of them and twice the [censored] !!

He is not gullible. He has his own interests(Jobe) to protect. He is a fellow traveller and doing his bit by putting out disinformation. Just like the ex Iraqi propaganda minister he is.

He is not gullible. He has his own interests(Jobe) to protect. He is a fellow traveller and doing his bit by putting out disinformation. Just like the ex Iraqi propaganda minister he is.

you have a point.

He must be a man after Hirds own heart if he thinks anyone is buying it.

Im starting to wonder whether in amongst all this that there wouldnt be cause for some to be legally prosecuted let alone penalised by ASADA and or the AFL

What Messendon have perpetrated is nothing short of Mens Rea surely ?

and if you happen to look like this bloke then its a lay down Misere !!!

The Man God of Messendon

Tim Watson is quoted this morning as saying "So if they (the AFL) know what they (the substances) are, why can't they come clean and tell the players and tell the parents so that we can all get on with our lives and stop being fearful about what they may have been administered?"

Sorry Tim, I thought that was Essendon's responsibility.

its also asada's call as part of the asada investigation

the afl's investigation is into governance issues

its also asada's call as part of the asada investigation

the afl's investigation is into governance issues

Im also wondering about if and when the ACC call and say ,move over rover, we want a piece of this pie also !!

I'm also wondering if James will get advice from his spin merchants to start talking the talk of showing care about his players today. You can almost guarantee that, wait for the comments from James.

You've backed a loser spin boys, what a disgrace.

If you have not heard the anonymous players Mum on MMM this morning, do yourselves a favour. As a parent I was close to tears listening to it! Walls are crumbling at windy hill.

Particularly if you a guilty of misdemeanours.

I agree. Makes you wonder about the feckless goons on this site who were advocating MFC take the AFL to court over the tanking.

You are not comparing this Essendon situation to the MFC tanking are you??

Please, they are eons apart.

If you have not heard the anonymous players Mum on MMM this morning, do yourselves a favour. As a parent I was close to tears listening to it! Walls are crumbling at windy hill.

Pretty strong isn't it.

James is in this for Hirdy. Paul Little is just as bad.

If you have not heard the anonymous players Mum on MMM this morning, do yourselves a favour. As a parent I was close to tears listening to it! Walls are crumbling at windy hill.

Brought me to tears mate.

Pretty strong isn't it.

James is in this for Hirdy. Paul Little is just as bad.

But they can't see what they have done wrong.....WTF???

The Golden Child looks a little stressed.

My question to Mr Hird was it a Black Ops AMBUSH from the AFL?

But they can't see what they have done wrong.....WTF???

Hird is a sociopath...he needs to be assessed...

No remorse at all. Little has become his old lapdog.

You know what horrifies me?

The fact that during 2012 when a lot of this was going on in Hird's world, he was also coaching an under 9 junior football team in a competition in which I'm a life member. Now, I'm not suggesting that the activities in which he was allegedly involved at Essendon were reproduced at that level but the thought that this person was in a position to work with kids absolutely appalls and sickens me. What would they be thinking now?

AFTER MUCH CONSIDERATION,THE KIDS ARE ALL NOW 10 YO

SURVEYS HAVE TOLD US THE MELATON AND PEPTIDES HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO REACH GREAT HIEGHTS IN WIEGHT GAIN AND MUSCLE GROWTH, ALTHOUGH SOME MINOR SIDE EFFECTS SHOW UP EVERY NOW AND THEN

THE PLAYERS ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO FINISHING THE YEAR ON A HIGH AS THEY ENTER THE 2013 GRAND FINAL AGAINST THE BALWYN U17 TEAM AND CELEBRATORY SHAVES WILL BE THE NORM AFTER THE GAME

SO ALL IN ALL ID SAY EVERYTHINGS GONE WELL

You are not comparing this Essendon situation to the MFC tanking are you??

Please, they are eons apart.

As usual you miss the issue

A club taking the AFL and therefore the game to Court is common to both incidents even though the severity of Essendon problem far exceeds Melbourne's tanking fiasco

And in both situations it's insanity and a death wish to do so. Essendon's ridiculous action vindicates the basic common sense at MFC not to do so six months ago.

Tim Watson is quoted this morning as saying "So if they (the AFL) know what they (the substances) are, why can't they come clean and tell the players and tell the parents so that we can all get on with our lives and stop being fearful about what they may have been administered?"

Sorry Tim, I thought that was Essendon's responsibility.

Agree entirely.

its also asada's call as part of the asada investigation

the afl's investigation is into governance issues

If ASADA issue infraction notices on evidence of banned substances being taken then surely the AFL would right to add penalties onto the minimum suspensions under WADA.

If you have not heard the anonymous players Mum on MMM this morning, do yourselves a favour. As a parent I was close to tears listening to it! Walls are crumbling at windy hill.

Link?

sorry think i've found it

http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/news/2013/8/aod-9604-not-prohibited-says-gerard-whateley-on-fox-footy-afl-360/