POST MATCH DISCUSSION

[DeeMfc 621]

Sides will be lining up to court Watt's services and most Demon fans would probably say off you go.

I personally think Jack Watts is one of the most talented up and coming players in the league.

Watts is good and will only get better - and much better.

I'm now also pro watts.

His skill and execution are first class.

If we can build a strong midfield in the next couple of years Watts will win games off his own boot regularly.

[DeeSpencer 23,318]

There are four big positives from this season and all were evident again tonight.

1) Colin Garland has become an elite defender. Picked up Ablett when he rested forward and really annoyed him.

2) Jake Spencer is now a player - it's not just that he works hard around ground, it's because unlike Jamar and Gawn, his hitouts actually find a target quite often (34% tonight from 41 hitouts).

3) Jack Viney - for obvious reasons. He had 24 disposals tonight and if Davis hadn't wiped him out in a marking contest he probably would have got 30.

4) Dean Kent - we needed a small goalscoring forward who tackles and has pace. We drafted Byrnes for the role, but got really lucky and ended up with Kent at pick 50 or whatever who is a long-term proposition. He still hasn't cracked 20 disposals in a game yet I don't think but he had 19 tonight.

You could probably add a fifth positive in Jack Fitzpatrick saving his AFL career in the past seven games - a very handy back-up for Mitch Clark next season.

The Jordie haters need to take a step back this week too - did a great job on Ablett.

Jack Watts was very classy again, if only he could tackle, then we'd all get off his back.

Don't go too early on Spencer. His competitiveness to follow up the ball and get involved around the ground are great strengths. But Gawn is much more effective around the ground. He also can win a hit out that's for sure, but he was up against GC's 3rd string ruck in Gorringe. It's not like he did it against a senior ruck. Jamar and Gawn both would've had 40 or 50 hit out tonight as well. But I do agree Spencer provides the best value from his hit outs when he wins them.

I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do against Sandilands next week. A great test for him.

[Deespicable 2,563]

Don't go too early on Spencer. His competitiveness to follow up the ball and get involved around the ground are great strengths. But Gawn is much more effective around the ground. He also can win a hit out that's for sure, but he was up against GC's 3rd string ruck in Gorringe. It's not like he did it against a senior ruck. Jamar and Gawn both would've had 40 or 50 hit out tonight as well. But I do agree Spencer provides the best value from his hit outs when he wins them.

I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do against Sandilands next week. A great test for him.

He also beat McEvoy and Brogan - so he's three from three. But yes he won't have the height for Sandilands and it will be interesting to see if his confidence around ground drops when he can't win the taps.

[Sir Why You Little 34,705]

Ok let's play then...

You harp on about how we are a rabble and blame everyone from the top down which I, to a certain degree agree with. Then you go on to pot 'a number 2 draft pick who was given leadership responsibilities'. Don't you think that being the youngest captain EVER to play the game in the worst developed team in the comp with a major foot injury to deal with is enough pressure on the kid. There are plenty of people to blame for where we are but Trengove is not one of them.

I see where you are coming from mate.

Giving him the Captaincy in the first place was Suicidal. The fact he still has it is even more dire.

This club has no balls, for so many reasons. They are all related.

Sadly Trengove has been bog ordinary week after week.

In 2010 he showed a lot of promise. Then it stopped. The last thing he deserved was the bloody Captaincy!!

Other AFL teams must love the coin toss....as they look him in the eye

"Are you ready for that Captains game yet?"

Mark Neeld should be ashamed of himself as should the rest of the club for allowing such a pathetic decision.

[DeeMfc 621]

I see where you are coming from mate.

Giving him the Captaincy in the first place was Suicidal. The fact he still has it is even more dire.

This club has no balls, for so many reasons. They are all related.

Sadly Trengove has been bog ordinary week after week.

In 2010 he showed a lot of promise. Then it stopped. The last thing he deserved was the bloody Captaincy!!

Other AFL teams must love the coin toss....as they look him in the eye

"Are you ready for that Captains game yet?"

Mark Neeld should be ashamed of himself as should the rest of the club for allowing such a pathetic decision.

Agree.

Although, in a well run club with a decent development program I reckon Trengove would have handled the tag of captain quite admirably.

Hopefully these mechanisms are finally being put in place.

[What 18,810]

Sadly Trengove has been bog ordinary week after week.

In 2010 he showed a lot of promise. Then it stopped.

no it didnt, he was excellent in 2011, his 2nd season.

Then David Misson came along and ruined his and all the players fitness and explosiveness

[Sir Why You Little 34,705]

no it didnt, he was excellent in 2011, his 2nd season.

Then David Misson came along and ruined his and all the players fitness and explosiveness

Fair call should have said 2011..What is the deal with Misson. He is hugely qualified??

[DeeMfc 621]

no it didnt, he was excellent in 2011, his 2nd season.

Then David Misson came along and ruined his and all the players fitness and explosiveness

Last preseason they spent too much time doing endurance running.

This preseason they need to keep that level of endurance up but concentrate on interval style fitness training (to get that explosiveness you are talking about) and skills, skills and more skills training.

One thing we are lacking is momentum when we have the ball. We just don't have any, we are to flat footed. interval type training will improve this part of our game.

[Sir Why You Little 34,705]

Agree.

Although, in a well run club with a decent development program I reckon Trengove would have handled the tag of captain quite admirably.

Hopefully these mechanisms are finally being put in place.

But that is the crux.

We're not a well run club. He has been burnt.

A shame that he didn't say "No i am not ready...i am learning the ropes"

Because he has shown nothing since.

[Sir Why You Little 34,705]

Last preseason they spent too much time doing endurance running.

This preseason they need to keep that level of endurance up but concentrate on interval style fitness training (to get that explosiveness you are talking about) and skills, skills and more skills training.

One thing we are lacking is momentum when we have the ball. We just don't have any, we are to flat footed. interval type training will improve this part of our game.

That's confidence in your team mates Dee.

That is what we lack.

[PJ_12345 1,098]

no it didnt, he was excellent in 2011, his 2nd season.

Then David Misson came along and ruined his and all the players fitness and explosiveness

Rubbish.

You shouldn't be attacking the person trying to fix an issue, but should be attacking the person that created the issue.

But heaven forbid someone accuses the players or anyone else not associated with Neeld.

If you ever see Misson have a chat with him. Last time I saw him I asked how the program was going and he was brutally honest. The players don't have enough endurance and aren't physically up to standard. Makes it very difficult to fix this as all the improvement has to come from the preseason and if you don't balance weights and endurance well you'll end up like Essendon last year which will also impact their ability to improve their skills during the season.

[PJ_12345 1,098]

I see where you are coming from mate.

Giving him the Captaincy in the first place was Suicidal. The fact he still has it is even more dire.

This club has no balls, for so many reasons. They are all related.

Sadly Trengove has been bog ordinary week after week.

In 2010 he showed a lot of promise. Then it stopped. The last thing he deserved was the bloody Captaincy!!

Other AFL teams must love the coin toss....as they look him in the eye

"Are you ready for that Captains game yet?"

Mark Neeld should be ashamed of himself as should the rest of the club for allowing such a pathetic decision.

That's confidence in your team mates Dee.

That is what we lack.

What about having confidence and standing by a captain who was chosen by the players, has stuck by the club and is clearly a good leader recovering from an injury?

[P-man 13,239]

How is he "clearly a good leader" PJ? I assume you don't mean on game day.

Chosen by the players...according to Neeld.

His captaincy selection has been a mistake. There is no two ways about that. He's been dreadful ever since.

I agree that blaming Misson is nonsense.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

I forgot to mention this before, but our treatment of Ablett tonight was a step in the right direction. Mckenzie, with the help of others did a fantastic job. Actually having a plan before a game and implementing it correctly is bonus, in fact. (Almost) None of it was rightly paid a free kick against (even though the Fox commentators wouldn't shut up about the fact it should've been) and a great amount of aggression and care was shown. It'd be easy to accept Ablett for who he is and the skill he has, but nagging a player and keeping at them can really annoy them and put their mind off the game.

[Ted Lasso 16,968]

Would not be surprised if Spencer and Gawn become one of the best ruck Combo's in the comp.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

Would not be surprised if Spencer and Gawn become one of the best ruck Combo's in the comp.

Little evidence that they work well together yet though. I'd more optimistic about them being among the best first rucks in the comp. Would love to see it happen though, although I could imagine Gawn would get more time inside 50

[Sir Why You Little 34,705]

What about having confidence and standing by a captain who was chosen by the players, has stuck by the club and is clearly a good leader recovering from an injury?

Would you have confidence that he was going to do the job if he was your captain?

Sadly i wouldn't.

You are merely hoping to be brutally honest.

And thats what we need to become if this club isto survive and be respected.

Neeld gave Trengove the Captaincy for political reasons.

It has been an absolute failure in every way.

[Ted Lasso 16,968]

Would you have confidence that he was going to do the job if he was your captain?

Sadly i wouldn't.

You are merely hoping to be brutally honest.

And thats what we need to become if this club isto survive and be respected.

Neeld gave Trengove the Captaincy for political reasons.

It has been an absolute failure in every way.

I have no issue with the idea that Grimes and Trengove are leaders, just watching them train you can tell they have the right sorts of qualities, my issue is that possibly the worst team of all time gave the captaincy to a 19 year old who we hoped would carry our side forward, i still fully believe he will be a very good player for us, but we had five players who imo would have been better captain candidates than Trengove at the time.

No issue as the players voted him in, i'm sure Neeld gave them a push in the right direction just imo, Frawley, Jones, Moloney, Rivers and even Bartram at the time would have been better options.

[Sir Why You Little 34,705]

I have no issue with the idea that Grimes and Trengove are leaders, just watching them train you can tell they have the right sorts of qualities, my issue is that possibly the worst team of all time gave the captaincy to a 19 year old who we hoped would carry our side forward, i still fully believe he will be a very good player for us, but we had five players who imo would have been better captain candidates than Trengove at the time.

No issue as the players voted him in, i'm sure Neeld gave them a push in the right direction just imo, Frawley, Jones, Moloney, Rivers and even Bartram at the time would have been better options.

Don't disagree with his attitude but as you say he is far too young.

He cannot lead on matchday which is when it is required.

[Ted Lasso 16,968]

Don't disagree with his attitude but as you say he is far too young.

He cannot lead on matchday which is when it is required.

Which is not entirely surprising, how many 19 year olds could you really expect to run out for a terrible AFL side and make an impact not just in his own game but as a leader, the thing is unlike a joel selwood, Trenners hadn't even learned to take control of games yet, i thought he was well on the way, obviously stalled now for whatever reasons but the talent that got him rated so highly won't just disappear

Nathan Jones at least leads by example

[Sir Why You Little 34,705]

Which is not entirely surprising, how many 19 year olds could you really expect to run out for a terrible AFL side and make an impact not just in his own game but as a leader, the thing is unlike a joel selwood, Trenners hadn't even learned to take control of games yet, i thought he was well on the way, obviously stalled now for whatever reasons but the talent that got him rated so highly won't just disappear

Nathan Jones at least leads by example

it just shows how wrong Mark Neeld was and why we must not even consider an untried coach.

I hope Jones is not made Captain. Just let him continue as he is going.

[Ted Lasso 16,968]

it just shows how wrong Mark Neeld was and why we must not even consider an untried coach.

I hope Jones is not made Captain. Just let him continue as he is going.

Honestly i wouldn't mind giving it to Garland, he is Mr Dependable, at the start of this year i didn't consider him AFL standard, but he has really improved, gives the list something to watch and see just what is possible if you're willing to put the work in.

[Sir Why You Little 34,705]

Honestly i wouldn't mind giving it to Garland, he is Mr Dependable, at the start of this year i didn't consider him AFL standard, but he has really improved, gives the list something to watch and see just what is possible if you're willing to put the work in.

Yes. I would say Garland is the only "senior" player who has improved this year.

[Ted Lasso 16,968]

Yes. I would say Garland is the only "senior" player who has improved this year.

I felt Grimes was playing some great footy before his injury and had really taken another step, and James Frawley is still very underrated if that's possible,

i think the stars are there on our list, we just need to boost our midfield and we will fly up the ladder, whether that comes from improvement of the players within or the players we bring in i'm not sure, i think an injury free pre season and Trengove will improve, Viney, Toumpas and Matt Jones will be better with another pre season under their belt.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Would not be surprised if Spencer and Gawn become one of the best ruck Combo's in the comp.

Interesting to see every one praising Spencer when the vast majority had him as the worst player in the competition not that long back; perhaps some humble pie for a few?