Blues are paying Mick's pension - aren't they nice?

Just shows- draft picks are useless and you need your whole club on the same page to have sustained success. By that, I mean you can't have tanking (melb, wce, carlton), you can't have supplements or injection program's (that will not last) and you can't have a team built on trades or top ups (st kilda, bulldogs) it just doesn't work. You need a club on the same page, from CEO, to marketing, development and recruitment built on trust, hard work, confidence and patience. Hawthorn Geelong, Sydney and collingwood. It's not the game plan that's necessary to follow, it's the "brand" wide development and protocol.

The clubs you have referenced have all had a leg up with draft picks or salary cap advantages. Carlton are still suffering from the draft penalties they received a while back, they can put a good team on the ground now but it won't get the ultimate success. Rebuild next year.

Bring Back Elliott!!!!

Literally the moment Waite went down it became one way traffic.

They're in massive strife, no doubt about it.

Literally the moment Waite went down it became one way traffic.

They're in massive strife, no doubt about it.

The draft and trade period are vital to them, I hope no one falls for some of their rubbish like the one dimensional small forwards running around tonight or the one dimensional talls that can't get a game.

Lesson 1

Beware the messiah coach on $1.2m

Lesson 2

Carlton have something like 6 top 3 draft picks and are still hopeless

Lesson 1 - choose the right coach.

Carlton have a culture problem, the same problem the MFC have - which is more than likely a result of tanking.

Malthouse has never been a culture builder.

Collingwood hardly had a good culture when Malthouse was there.

Paul Roos was the man for the job at Carlton, they approached Roos first and he would've went a long way to improving that club.

Roos is a culture builder and if we can snare Roos, then we should all be very happy.

If we can't snare Roos, we should stick with Craig.

I don't understand why Kruezer doesn't cop the attention that Watts does.

exactly, why the f@#k does this guy get away with it??Kreuzer is very average. $cummy $cully as well, he's no superstar.

Carlton's situation is, above all, an advertisement for the wisdom of grabbing Clark, Dawes, and Hogan.

Even though he'd been relatively quiet early, as soon as Waite was gone their whole system crumpled up. Total failure.

Casboult had some cameo impact and Henderson made an effort when swung forward, but neither are truly able to deliver the critical CHF or FF target.

Remembering how many games Carlton has lost by pretty small margins, and the way they have wilted without any structure at times, you can absolutely say that if they either of our two mature marking forwards on hand, they'd be solidly in the final 8.

Structurally, our list is much stronger than theirs, in as much as we can scream 'MIDFIELDERS PLEASE' and that's pretty much our recruiting and drafting strategy for the next two years sorted.

They have to find and develop a couple of talls at each end. Anyone remember our efforts at doing that between about 2000-2010? Will they do it before Judd and Waite retire? Carazzo, Simpson, Mclean, Scotland and Walker aren't young, either.

If they don't turn things around damn fast, they can be added to the Bulldogs and St Kilda on the list of teams in even worse state than the Demons.

...and why would you play Murphy with a broken cheekbone, he didn't want to go near a contested ball all night and who would blame him.

By the way, anyone know how a bike helmet protects a cheekbone?

Its called the placebo effect

Nothing brings me greater pleasure then these half arsed cheats going down.

Thinking they pulled off the greatest coup de grâce only makes their angst sweeter.

IMPOSTERS

What a superb Carlscum effort last night.

Brock Mclean enjoy the ship going down....

I hate them.

I would be interested to know how many games voldemort has won over his time, his record wouldn't be looking very well.

To be fair to young Tom, his win/loss record wasn't too bad when he played for a real AFL club and not a circus troupe. He played 21 games for us in his debut season and we won 8½. He also played in a few wins in the following year before settling for the tinsel, sawdust and the money.

He might get his break today when GWS plays the Doggies who I suspect might already have more of an eye on draft position than anything else and are still in mourning for Julia's demise for the Prime Minister's Cup.

Carlton have something like 6 top 3 draft picks and are still hopeless

Given they acquired those picks through tanking clever list management, they're now receiving their due reward.

Brock Mclean enjoy the ship going down....

One thing you can't blame Brock for is the fact that the ship went down. I thought he was one of their better players last night although I must say he thoroughly deserves having a megalomaniac as his coach.

If i supported carlton, Bryce Gibbs would be the player I would be tearing my hair out about. Classy and all that , but he is so soft it isn't funny.

Its called the placebo effect

I can see Carlton supporters doing this out at Princess Park today!

No key position forwards, one key position defender and a midfield reliant on 2 players. I'd take Watts over Kruezer and Gibbs FWIW.

The clubs you have referenced have all had a leg up with draft picks or salary cap advantages. Carlton are still suffering from the draft penalties they received a while back, they can put a good team on the ground now but it won't get the ultimate success. Rebuild next year.

That's pretty inaccurate. Yes Sydney have extra space in their cap, but what do you think the difference is their? Okeefe, shaw, Bolton, mumford, Reid, goodes, jetta.... They all take pay cuts to keep the group together. They are in an environment where everyone at the club tries to get the best out of the players and take an interest in them. Same at Geelong, their CEO and board oversaw the ground redevelopment, all the training facilities improve, structures to support their young players and ease them into senior football.

Did anyone see on the Fox Sports coverage after the game Paul Roos talk about Carlton's poor trading playing a part in their current position.

He made mention of the fact that at the end of the 2008 season Ryan O'Keefe wanted to return to Melbourne and Sydney offered him to Carlton in exchange for pick 6 and they refused the trade.

Thar amazes me to think that they could have had someone as good as O'Keefe but instead they decided to keep pick 6 and use it to draft a small crumbing forward when they already had Betts & Garlett on their list and added Buckley only a few seasons later.

Good work Carltank, couldn't of happened to a nicer team!

If i supported carlton, Bryce Gibbs would be the player I would be tearing my hair out about. Classy and all that , but he is so soft it isn't funny.

As has been mentioned here many times, Watts and Gibbs are very similar number one picks.

That's pretty inaccurate. Yes Sydney have extra space in their cap, but what do you think the difference is their? Okeefe, shaw, Bolton, mumford, Reid, goodes, jetta.... They all take pay cuts to keep the group together. They are in an environment where everyone at the club tries to get the best out of the players and take an interest in them. Same at Geelong, their CEO and board oversaw the ground redevelopment, all the training facilities improve, structures to support their young players and ease them into senior football.

. With respect to Geelong's ground development, it didn't do any harm having the State Premier(Bracks) being a rabid Cats supporter.

Also being allowed to host AFL games at a stadium that has held less than 25000(when they have 40000 members), so no opposition supporters fit in the place,makes for enormous home ground advantage. Playing Freo, Port etc there , compared to the MCG or Docklands , is a huge advantage. No wonder their recruits develop that confident, "winning culture" so quickly.

Anyone else enjoying the sight of Mick Malthouse looking a bit like a stunned mullet during the second quarter tonight?

Took this on my phone during the game and sent to my Blues "mates" at the game.

Took this on my phone during the game and sent to my Blues "mates" at the game.

Suddenly looking pretty old.

I agree with the general consensus. Carlton's list is stuffed. Weak down back, weak up forward, shallow in the midfield and ordinary in the rucks. Tanking has got them nowhere.

For carlton it's about next year,if they don't make the final then I don,t know weather mick has the energy, for another rebuild. It just. Go to show u how a good mid field keeps a team competive, carlton have one, but they don't have a backline or much of forward line, the dees have a good backline and forward line, once all forwards are available, the midfield is a work in progress, where with carlton their forward line don't seem to have any signs of a developing one, they don't have a hogain or mitch comeing back.

That's pretty inaccurate. Yes Sydney have extra space in their cap, but what do you think the difference is their? Okeefe, shaw, Bolton, mumford, Reid, goodes, jetta.... They all take pay cuts to keep the group together. They are in an environment where everyone at the club tries to get the best out of the players and take an interest in them. Same at Geelong, their CEO and board oversaw the ground redevelopment, all the training facilities improve, structures to support their young players and ease them into senior football.

No it's not, I appreciate that Sydney and Geelong have done a great job with their lists but they have both taken advantage of AFL assistance through cash or rules at the time. The extra cap has helped Sydney and there is no way known they would have picked up Tippett for example and it allowed them to get Mumford in the past.

Geelong had the good luck to get father son picks cheaply under the previous rule, Ablett, Scarlett and Hawkins have helped. As posted above they also get a huge leg up with Cardinia Park.

Of course Collingwood and Hawthorn have taken advantage of PP's and there was a little manipulation (not tanking of course) to get them.

For carlton it's about next year,if they don't make the final then I don,t know weather mick has the energy, for another rebuild. It just. Go to show u how a good mid field keeps a team competive, carlton have one, but they don't have a backline or much of forward line, the dees have a good backline and forward line, once all forwards are available, the midfield is a work in progress, where with carlton their forward line don't seem to have any signs of a developing one, they don't have a hogain or mitch comeing back.

That good news for the MFC once we have a Mid Field that is any good, watch out!

A mate sent me a txt saying mitch robinson accused you blokes of bruise free football he is playing like one tonight. I actially laughed and agreed. The guy is a deat set [censored] and even more of a squib! Enjoy finals brock mclean you muppet