The tragic downfall of Liam Jurrah

[Biffen 12,949]

Seems to have some insight into his own situation which means there is hope.

He found time to acknowledge the MFC brothers and needs to put his assault charges behind him.

He is putting his family ahead of football but I see no reason why he couldn't play AFL elsewhere one day.

Somebody buy the guy a new phone for crissakes.

[dee-luded 2,959]

And I thought she was only interested in me. I feel jilted and used. Soiled and dirty even.

I think I remember Don Lane saying that same thing years back.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Just announced on sen, apparently after a domestic dispute, and ignoring an intervention order.

shitt, it sounds like Liam has almost given up.

c'mon Liam, maintain your dignity.

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

If you burned that flag in front of me you wouldnt wake up for a week.

2 weeks, mjt.

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

Sadly, I have to agree. The dream is well and truly over and the main task is to restore his health and well-being which is paramount and will take time.

We've seen how things work in the AFL. It's an unforgiving landscape and the talent Liam has won't be enough to reward him with a second chance.

The onus from a football perspective is for us all to learn from this experience.

The lesson to be learned is to steer clear of recruiting guys from the remote communities. They live in a world far to different from what is required. The cultural and social differences are huge and to expect them to be able to come in and adjust to life in the city, let alone life in a professional sporting club is just utopic. Sad but true im afraid

[Pates 9,661]

The lesson to be learned is to steer clear of recruiting guys from the remote communities. They live in a world far to different from what is required. The cultural and social differences are huge and to expect them to be able to come in and adjust to life in the city, let alone life in a professional sporting club is just utopic. Sad but true im afraid

Nothing ventured nothing gained, it's a sad outcome but bare in mind when we first recruited him his community was pretty peaceful but what developed was completely unforeseeable for the club. If we take that sort of attitude I really think that there is talent that will go wasted.

Yes this has been a very difficult situation for the club to be in, and there is merit to being cautious when entertaining the idea of recruiting someone from a remote community, but I'd rather them take the risk every now and then because you could find yourself with a real gem.

As for Liam, it sounds like his life is in free fall, I just hope he can pull himself out of it.

[dee-luded 2,959]

The lesson to be learned is to steer clear of recruiting guys from the remote communities. They live in a world far to different from what is required. The cultural and social differences are huge and to expect them to be able to come in and adjust to life in the city, let alone life in a professional sporting club is just utopic. Sad but true im afraid

If we were still playing semi professional, most talented indig boys would be able to cope with the stress.

But with the way it is today, barely any natural human could cope.

Sadly the game is less enjoyable & less inspiring, & more disciplined, technical & bland.

[bing181 9,348]

But with the way it is today, barely any natural human could cope.

Sadly the game is less enjoyable & less inspiring, & more disciplined, technical & bland.

Perhaps, but I don't know that it's different at an elite level in any sport.

[ThreeOneSix 954]

I don't think we'll see a talent like Jurrah for a long while, but the bloke mentally just isn't capable of staying sound.

I think the club done so well to get what we did out of him.

Bailey enabled Jurrah, whereas Neeld hasn't got the time to nurse individuals.

Everyone enables Jurrah really, overlooks his behavior because he has serious talent.

Neeld got rid of a lot of individual players and I applaud him for that and we will actually play as a team.

[Pinball Wizard 358]

Everyone enables Jurrah really, overlooks his behavior because he has serious talent.

This is nonsense. What behavioural issues did Liam have at the club until that night in March 2012 at Alice Springs and who ever overlooked his behaviour, even then?

Trying to understand what people do is different to overlook their behaviour.

[ThreeOneSix 954]

This is nonsense. What behavioural issues did Liam have at the club until that night in March 2012 at Alice Springs and who ever overlooked his behaviour, even then?

Trying to understand what people do is different to overlook their behaviour.

If it was up to Demonland Jurrah would be the face of TAC.

[Moonshadow 17,678]

If it was up to me, you wouldn't be posting here again

[RalphiusMaximus 6,100]

Now, reading that article he appears to want to come back to Melbourne someday after he has sorted out his family issues. In a way out hypothetical, if he were to beat the charges against him, head back home, his community find common ground and stop feuding and he went and played a season or two for Darwin and dominated before putting his hand up for the rookie draft, would you want us to take another punt on him? Would he be considered too high risk/maintenance given that by then he'd be 26+? Given that we would be well and truly into our dominant run at 5 premierships in a row by then, would we have a place in the side for him? We know he has a son and that he wants that son to play AFL. Would we (fans) want to squeeze 100 games out of him to get a potential FS pick down the track?

[dee-luded 2,959]

Perhaps, but I don't know that it's different at an elite level in any sport.

No, I'm saying its way over the top now in the last 10 years or so.

Since the game went Pro, & all the extra time put into it, the talent pool is thinner in creative players,,, & heavier in drones. robots, just training machines.

There types are generallty less naturally talented than past era players, but more disciplined & workaholic like. the result is less creativity & spontanaity in the game.

So it follows that the gane is defensive & choked up to support these types of players.

The game is lesser for it.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,100]

No, I'm saying its way over the top now in the last 10 years or so.

Since the game went Pro, & all the extra time put into it, the talent pool is thinner in creative players,,, & heavier in drones. robots, just training machines.

There types are generallty less naturally talented than past era players, but more disciplined & workaholic like. the result is less creativity & spontanaity in the game.

So it follows that the gane is defensive & choked up to support these types of players.

The game is lesser for it.

So basically you're saying that the AFL has turned into Italy.

[Chook 15,022]

No, I'm saying its way over the top now in the last 10 years or so.

Since the game went Pro, & all the extra time put into it, the talent pool is thinner in creative players,,, & heavier in drones. robots, just training machines.

There types are generallty less naturally talented than past era players, but more disciplined & workaholic like. the result is less creativity & spontanaity in the game.

So it follows that the gane is defensive & choked up to support these types of players.

The game is lesser for it.

So why is it that the number one complaint against newly drafted players is that they can't defend, or that they need guidance to learn how to train properly? If what you're saying were true, neither of these issues would be valid.

[mauriesy 7,378]

Interesting article on the AFL website suggesting that his time at Melbourne was the start of his drinking. Mentions the 'boozy culture' on the trip to China, linking the same trip to the leaving of Tom Scully.

[boydie 655]

Interesting article on the AFL website suggesting that his time at Melbourne was the start of his drinking. Mentions the 'boozy culture' on the trip to China, linking the same trip to the leaving of Tom Scully.

I'd put it down to the change of moving to the big city rather than the club

[Whispering_Jack 30,946]

Interesting article on the AFL website suggesting that his time at Melbourne was the start of his drinking. Mentions the 'boozy culture' on the trip to China, linking the same trip to the leaving of Tom Scully.

An interesting article and, if true, then it's a good thing for the club that the football department and a number of associated personnel including welfare officers have been moved on and we have an almost completely different group of people in charge of the players.

As for Scully, if I remember correctly, the timeframe coincides with his father's reported signing on with GWS as a recruiting officer. Funny how these things work out.

[dee-luded 2,959]

So why is it that the number one complaint against newly drafted players is that they can't defend, or that they need guidance to learn how to train properly? If what you're saying were true, neither of these issues would be valid.

the old game was a more attacking game than today.

The players couldn't run as hard without all the so called advances in training & sports science. so the plauers worked harder offensively, mostly, than defensivelu=y as they needed to maintain their legs.

In the nineties extra interchange players were added, then they went full time. In the 2000's, added sports science to the mixture of all the extra interchange players & now the grounds are effectively too small to allow the space needed by the mercurial players to star in.

And you can't crash into someone blocking the Hole.

In short the coaches have determined to shut down & stop the opposition from scoring, as a priority. Because they can.

The game has become a techno' mess.

[Demonsterative 3,020]

I would suggest that Liam was exposed to alcohol well before he reached melbourne (town). Either way, I have worked with people who have addictions for decades. One issue is the blaming of others for their predicament. This just means Liam is pre contemplative with his issue and will struggle for a while yet,or at least until he takes responsibility for his own behaviour

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

I wonder how this story came about? Unnamed sources still potting the club?

[Arrow 1,257]

Interesting article on the AFL website suggesting that his time at Melbourne was the start of his drinking. Mentions the 'boozy culture' on the trip to China, linking the same trip to the leaving of Tom Scully.

That whole China trip is an effing joke the way it's reported about. Every single footy trip is an absolute [censored]-up and I don't understand why this journal seems to think Melbournes 'culture' bought him down. We didn't come up with post season drinking an frankly the fact Tom had to go home from such an event shows he's a [censored]. I know a few GWS players and actually went out with them a few weeks ago and they were far worse than the few times I've seen Melbourne players on the terps. Will Tom leave again?

Liam has noone to blame but himself, but this clown to blame Melbournes drinking culture is a joke. I don't smoke so if all of my colleagues are, do I suddenly light up? God no. Such excuses for him are childish, take responsibility for your actions son and you may finally gain back the games respect.

[Chook 15,022]

the old game was a more attacking game than today.

I'd venture to say that the average scores today are higher than they were a hundred, fifty or even twenty-five years ago.

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

I would suggest that Liam was exposed to alcohol well before he reached melbourne (town). Either way, I have worked with people who have addictions for decades. One issue is the blaming of others for their predicament. This just means Liam is pre contemplative with his issue and will struggle for a while yet,or at least until he takes responsibility for his own behaviour

I didn't see any of the quotes in the article actually attributed to Liam. I have only ever heard him say good things about the club, certainly never heard him blame it for his predicament. I smell someone else's agenda here.