Two years ago he had legs like tree trunks they have slimmed him right down trying to create speed his best assist is strong hands out in front of his face hope Dawes can stick his hands out like that he needs to learn how to that's for sure

Trengove missed games in the NAB Cup last year and look hampered all year.

He's set for another testing year.

This is what i dont get, he hasnt really reached any satisfactory top level yet,he is still a kid learning the caper,yet he is captain?

Dont get me wrong im not a knocker, i really wish him to be a terrific player one day.

Pretty disheartening to think he's in for another tough year considering the undoubted disappointment of his 2012. Fortunately with the injection of the likes of Viney, Toumpas and M Jones and their ability to clear the ball, there will be less of a hole that he is leaving. The defensive side to his game with which he compensated last season may prove even more important this year, but how I'd love too see him get another yard or so of pace back. It really was like watching slow motion at times.

A bit of Trengove overkill in today's edition of the newspaper that sponsors the club:-

Leading the way to regain x factor

Tanking not an issue for focused Trengove

Trengove pushing to join the game's elite

Much better than the usual carp they publish about us.

A bit of Trengove overkill in today's edition of the newspaper that sponsors the club:-

Leading the way to regain x factor

Tanking not an issue for focused Trengove

Trengove pushing to join the game's elite

Much better than the usual carp they publish about us.

"Jack Trengove who burst onto the scene in 2010 and averaged 19 disposals in a manner that began to justify the club's decision to use its now-controversial priority pick to secure him."

If they can't even get the basic facts right, how am I supposed to believe them when it comes to bigger issues?

"Jack Trengove who burst onto the scene in 2010 and averaged 19 disposals in a manner that began to justify the club's decision to use its now-controversial priority pick to secure him."

If they can't even get the basic facts right, how am I supposed to believe them when it comes to bigger issues?

What is wrong with the statement that they highlighted in bold? It is a statment of fact!

Good article in the Hun IMO.

What is wrong with the statement that they highlighted in bold? It is a statment of fact!

Good artcile in the Hun IMO.

Pick 1, used on Scully, was the priority pick.

And it was in The Age.

And so far, whilst they said some will connect Trengove to tanking, and weigh his potential against any penalty, Murnane is the first to do so.

Under the cowardly and mischievous guise of "others will compare..." as he introduces the very concept himself.

Pick 1, used on Scully, was the priority pick.

And it was in The Age.

And so far, whilst they said some will connect Trengove to tanking, and weigh his potential against any penalty, Murnane is the first to do so.

Under the cowardly and mischievous guise of "others will compare..." as he introduces the very concept himself.

It is semantics suggesting Scully was the priority pick when it was virtually the toss of a coin at one stage between the two. If we didn't receive a priority pick in 2009 then we still would of picked up Scully with our first pick (making Trengove effectively the 'priority pick').

It is semantics suggesting Scully was the priority pick when it was virtually the toss of a coin at one stage between the two. If we didn't receive a priority pick in 2009 then we still would of picked up Scully with our first pick (making Trengove effectively the 'priority pick').

No, it's about doing research and fact checking.

This is what i dont get, he hasnt really reached any satisfactory top level yet,he is still a kid learning the caper,yet he is captain?

Dont get me wrong im not a knocker, i really wish him to be a terrific player one day.

JT is captain for more reasons than his on field performance.

For him as a player they should have past the baton should have given to jones and let the KID just play

JT is captain for more reasons than his on field performance.

Clearly, at this stage.

Trengove will be the second most talked about player this season after Watts. He absolutely must become an A-grade midfielder if we are to become a power.

Clearly, at this stage.

Trengove will be the second most talked about player this season after Watts. He absolutely must become an A-grade midfielder if we are to become a power.

He may well spend the first part of the season over the fence with us RR.

He has a serious injury, will have a poor pre season and should not be rushed back.

Not a great way to achieve "A-grade midfielder" status.

I don't expect much for at least the first half of 2013.

He may well spend the first part of the season over the fence with us RR.

He has a serious injury, will have a poor pre season and should not be rushed back.

Not a great way to achieve "A-grade midfielder" status.

I don't expect much for at least the first half of 2013.

G'day OldDee. Primed for a big '013? We're in for a roller coaster ride I reckon. But overall, on the up.

G'day OldDee. Primed for a big '013? We're in for a roller coaster ride I reckon. But overall, on the up.

It is sad mate that all you and I have to do at midday on Australia day it trawl around Demonland.

We need more in our lives.

I just hope we can show a reasonable level of improvement

Anyway Welcome back.

Along with a host of others he's a player we NEED to be a star.

His attitude is first rate, just a matter of getting his footy to match.

Interesting article today. I like JT.

But it still did not tell me why he couldn't kick over 35 metres last year...

It is semantics suggesting Scully was the priority pick when it was virtually the toss of a coin at one stage between the two. If we didn't receive a priority pick in 2009 then we still would of picked up Scully with our first pick (making Trengove effectively the 'priority pick').

That's unknown. If we defeated Richmond they would have finished last and had first pick and we would have had second pick. It's unknown whether Richmond would have selected Scully, Trengove or Martin at pick one and therefore whether Scully or Trengove would have been taken by us at pick two. As Jose and Clint point out - what is known is that Scully was the priority pick - not Trengove. The priority pick went to GWS and we got 2012 pick 4 and 14 in compensation - that's what has to be weighed up in the "tanking" debate - not Trengove.

That's unknown. If we defeated Richmond they would have finished last and had first pick and we would have had second pick. It's unknown whether Richmond would have selected Scully, Trengove or Martin at pick one and therefore whether Scully or Trengove would have been taken by us at pick two. As Jose and Clint point out - what is known is that Scully was the priority pick - not Trengove. The priority pick went to GWS and we got 2012 pick 4 and 14 in compensation - that's what has to be weighed up in the "tanking" debate - not Trengove.

correct, although the term "priority [censored]" would be more apt

Every Tiger fan I know had their eye on Scully (who was a 'mad' Tiger fan) They did not necessarily want to win that game in '09 and it could be argued that Richmond were playing 'ducks and drakes'. Richmond lost their last 4 games that year - 3 of them to teams outside the 8.

We win that game and they possibly would have landed Scully. Martin was an afterthought in many ways. Reckon they are still a bit dirty on us and partly explains why their fans are the strongest in pointing the finger at us (re the tanking).

I know a few that are convinced that Scully will end up in Richmond colours.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see him end up at Richmond. I doubt Phil's grand plan involves him spending the rest of his career in Western Sydney. Take the money and run.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see him end up at Richmond. I doubt Phil's grand plan involves him spending the rest of his career in Western Sydney. Take the money and run.

Yep, money talks P_Man. Esp 2 mil in your 1st year. Not bad coin for an unproven player. Who knows where he'll end up? Frankly, who cares?

We, in many ways, were probably always going to get and keep our man - Trengove.

However, stress fractures in a foot is a debilitating injury and it's doubtful we'll see his best footy this year. Pre-season largely missed and all. 2014 and onwards is where the expectations should be re JT. The injury can't be played down. He may still get quite a lot of game time once he starts playing.

I did this exercise a little while ago out of curiosity and I know the line about stats and damned lies and that these stats aren't even all that comprehensive but in 2012:-

Jack Trengove 199 kicks 190 handballs 389 disposals 88 marks 99 tackles 8 goals 8 behinds (22 games) 8th best & fairest

Tom Scully 177 kicks 209 handballs 386 disposals 51 marks 85 tackles 4 goals 4 behinds (19 games) 4th best & fairest

Coincidentally, the stats are not dissimilar; Trengove's extra 3 games could be balanced by the fact that he had less time on the ball than Scully as he played a fair bit at half forward. We know that Jack is a stronger mark.

While most of us are disappointed with Jack's efforts in 2012 and expect a lot more from him in the future, the million dollar man has been lauded for his efforts, lifted a notch in his club's leadership group and is compared by his coach with James Hird for his leadership qualities.

I think we're being more realistic in our assessment of his past season.

Naturally, we have to remain cautious about how Jack's season will pan out given his early injury setback and the disruption to his pre season but it's not the end of the world. Hopefully, we'll get 18 good quality games from him and Mitch Clark in a much improved 2013.

The Scully stats only confirm the gossip: that Scully's position in their B&F was artificially inflated.

Not concerned about Jack. Elite athlete, gifted and gutsy footballer, has his head screwed on: it will come. The injuries in the last pre-season and this are only delaying the inevitable.