Dawes could be good if he doesn't have to ruck for half the game.

Leigh Brown would be working with him.

You do realize they have to pay their drafted players yeah? All the pressure is on Collingwood as they will have to offload players.

Obviously, that's why I made the point bout the salary cap and not accepting a player from us. Yeah I see that but it's not like they are going to accept a third rounder for Dawes, so what do you propose?

Dawes is a big spud, nothing more - nothing less.

Theres no positive spin on this, hopefully it doesn't eventuate as Dawes is barely even up to AFL standard.

Martin is a rich mans Dawes with more upside and I say that not overrating Stef Martin.

Merging.... With current Dawes thread (please look at board first in future)

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Dawes is a big spud, nothing more - nothing less.

Theres no positive spin on this, hopefully it doesn't eventuate as Dawes is barely even up to AFL standard.

Martin is a rich mans Dawes with more upside and I say that not overrating Stef Martin.

Good lord, if dawes is such a spud, i'd like to see what you think of our players. He had a bad year, but would be useful in the future.

Dawes>Martin

Obviously, that's why I made the point bout the salary cap and not accepting a player from us. Yeah I see that but it's not like they are going to accept a third rounder for Dawes, so what do you propose?

We offer them a third rounder, and if they don't take the offer then they can deal with the salary cap breaches.

Why would we trade the best ruckman on our list for a giant plodder? I'll take Dawes for a third round pick please, or Collingwood can throw in a decent draft pick for us if they want Martin.

Martin is not our best ruckman, he's probably not even third or fourth best being behind Jamar, Clark, Gawn when he's fit, Spencer & even possibly Fitzpatrick in coming years. He's a pretty terrible footballer who can do some athletic things on occasions.

Unbelievable hatred towards Dawes on this thread, and simultaneous unfounded comparisons with Martin, where Martin comes out on top.

There simply isn't any basis for claiming Martin is better than Dawes. I'm sorry to all Martin fans, but he's achieved very, very little in his career so far, and Dawes has done more.

If the price is right, he should definitely be on our radar, as he'll help Clark immensely and that helps the team.

collingwood of course lol

They can't get both of them.

Unbelievable hatred towards Dawes on this thread, and simultaneous unfounded comparisons with Martin, where Martin comes out on top.

There simply isn't any basis for claiming Martin is better than Dawes. I'm sorry to all Martin fans, but he's achieved very, very little in his career so far, and Dawes has done more.

If the price is right, he should definitely be on our radar, as he'll help Clark immensely and that helps the team.

Thoughts exactly. But as I've said before I have a feeling we may keep Martin now it appears that Rivers will be lost.

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Good lord, if dawes is such a spud, i'd like to see what you think of our players. He had a bad year, but would be useful in the future.

Dawes>Martin

If you take too much notice of many people on here nearly anyone who has been mentioned as a pick up is a spud.Its not as though we are over stacked with power forwards, we have one Clark.The criteria for recruiting someone should be can they improve the side. They don't have to be the next Buddy Franklin

Unbelievable hatred towards Dawes on this thread, and simultaneous unfounded comparisons with Martin, where Martin comes out on top.

There simply isn't any basis for claiming Martin is better than Dawes. I'm sorry to all Martin fans, but he's achieved very, very little in his career so far, and Dawes has done more.

If the price is right, he should definitely be on our radar, as he'll help Clark immensely and that helps the team.

The funny thing is I can't see Collingwood wanting Martin now that Lynch is going there but I guess if they lose Dawes they may want him but I just don't see it.

Hello! We don't need to trade ANYTHING to get anyone who is a free agent, just offer $

They can't get both of them.

both of whom ?

As much as I joked the other day about Dawes physique he suits Neeld's structure.

I'm somewhat ambivalent as to whether we go for him, or not, but comparing him to Martin is comparing apples and oranges. Martin is a better ruck than forward - and he's no great ruck - and Dawes is a key forward who at 24 is coming into his best years.

Martin's problem is that he'll only ever be an OK ruck and never a decent key forward. Dawes is no world beater, but he has displayed good form on occasions as a key forward. We shouldn't readily dismiss a key forward that has a premiership medallion hanging around his neck who's about to enter his prime.

both of whom ?

The first post on this thread said that collingwood will get Tippett and we will go after dawes but they just singed Lynch so collingwood can't get Tippett and Lynch, they wouldn't fit In there salary cap.

Be happy to pick up Dawes for Martin if we are solid on Hogan in the mini-draft.

If he get Dawes it'll be a magnificent coup.

Not only will it support our Mitch, but he's a forward and that's all his role will be.

I will applaud Neeld and Harrington to the ends of time if they get this done.

Richmond can keep their spud FAs.

I expect that Collingwood have picked up Lynch to play the Leigh Brown fwd-ruck role and let Cloke and Dawes resume their successful 2010 roles. I expect Dawes to stay at Collingwood.

Neeld has seen Collingwood's twin-tall forward structure in full motion and I'm sure he wants to replicate it here.

Lynch is out and Tippett will break the bank. Pedersen, Casboult and any others mentioned are depth at best.

It's Dawes or Hogan, I reckon. Wishing for both.

GET. He is at his cheapest and we need players of his type.

We need a plug and play big forward and Dawes seems to be the only one left. He will play a role and demand a very good opposition defender. No doubt he's looked average this season but so did Cloke for a large majority.

We need a plug and play big forward and Dawes seems to be the only one left. He will play a role and demand a very good opposition defender. No doubt he's looked average this season but so did Cloke for a large majority.

But Cloke at least had some talent to begin with, he was always going to come good at some stage.

Dawes on the other hand, different story for the big lumbering spud.

Has always impressed with his physical presence and will do even moreso with our lightweight mob.

Attacks the footy with intent, breaks packs - may be no Coleman winner but could fit the jigsaw. I say Yeah!

But Cloke at least had some talent to begin with, he was always going to come good at some stage.

Dawes on the other hand, different story for the big lumbering spud.

I get the feeling that any argument will not change your mind about Dawes so I won't pursue one.

Have a nice day.